Good Evening Derek and hello 'highlands'. Forgive me for not knowing your name (or anything else about you) as you joined here long after my vehicle allegiance moved to the FFRR and my daily interventions here ceased.
I just wanted to say that I have every intention of expediting a considered response and I look forward to continued debate, however, tonight is not the time.
I've just ejected my dinner guests after a night of good company, good food, good wine and eventually, too much whisky - some of which remains in my glass. Tonights fayre included Clynelish, Lonach (not available in the shops), MacAllan & an unusual Green Label from Johnny Walker which soars far above that which it's name would suggest.
Something for 'highlands' to consider before the next time though - you understand what you are voting against, but can you tell me what you are voting FOR with a No vote? What do you think the 'status quo' will be? Because I can tell you it won't be the current 'status quo'..........
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16th Feb 2014 12:49 am
highlands
Member Since: 11 Jan 2010
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It would seem to be a fool's errand to say what the new (?) status quo or even the current (sic) status quo is / will be.
There are a great many unknowns but a great many things are more certain with a 'no' vote among which the currency will continue to be the British pound and we will continue to be in the EU, unless and until we decide not to be.
A 'yes' vote only serves to add greater uncertainty, unnecessary uncertainty IMO with much of it being to the detriment of Scotland.Black 05 TDV6 HSE Auto
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16th Feb 2014 1:21 am
Andrew Hebron
Member Since: 16 Jan 2009
Location: Teddington
Posts: 501
JMC wrote:
This referendum affects everybody in the UK
I agree; so why don't we all get a vote then?Andrew
16th Feb 2014 3:51 am
G_Cam
Member Since: 12 Aug 2010
Location: Fife
Posts: 2061
Probably because Cameron thinks that a lot of folks not in the confines of Scotland would vote yes... or not bother voting.. so wee Eck gets his way... would be a tad embarrassing
How does the Isle Of Man function.. Im not sure on the setup over there... is it more like Devo Max? It has always been a question I have been meaning to find the answer to? (Same with the Channel Isles... they are In the UK but Not... if you see what I mean)1 TR6 Rusting away quietly
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16th Feb 2014 9:03 am
haroosh
Member Since: 16 Nov 2010
Location: Perth & Kinross
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I assume the Isle of Man use the pound also?
16th Feb 2014 9:12 am
G_Cam
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I assume a TT fan will be along soon to tell us...... 1 TR6 Rusting away quietly
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16th Feb 2014 9:28 am
Canburne
Member Since: 15 Jan 2013
Location: Devon
Posts: 2035
The situation is no way similar because the IOM is BRITISH Crown dependency. It is not an independent country.
is a British Crown dependancy...it has its own Pound & also uses the UK currency...not part of the EU...it is self governed by the Tynwald (house of Keys & the Legislative Council)...defended by the UK...but not part of the UK
almost same status as Jersey a bailiwick.....another British Crown Dependancy......it has it own pound.......not part of the EU...is is a parliamentary democracy under a constitutional monarchy....it is also not part of the UK.
Both brilliant places to work & live...
actually the Crown Dependancy Model is one that could work for ScotlandBREXIT - done properly.
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16th Feb 2014 10:21 am
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Will ask the same question in the BVIs & Monseratt, will be there in a few weeks for a bit of sun on my weary bones.
16th Feb 2014 10:25 am
Alan B
Member Since: 12 Feb 2013
Location: Fife
Posts: 6528
haroosh wrote:
I assume the Isle of Man use the pound also?
Yes they use the pound, although you can use scottish pounds, English pounds and you also regularly get northern irish pounds in your change.
Only about 16 weeks to TT, bring it on
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I have asked people who I work with what their thoughts are...
Most think that the idea is one that is worthy of debate but if put to the vote in the exiting parliament wouldn't succeed.
Those who are promoting this north of the border are far left....well left of the Labour party.
this who want independence want the best of both worlds....independence to do their own thing (because its different to what they may have to do otherwise collectively...like everybody else does in a democracy
But.....
they want the other bit financial security by being part of (not just using) the UK pound...even though their banks can already print their own notes (as can Northern Ireland). The independents want to remove the Faslane nuclear sub base but....would want to be defended if there was the need for this.
"having their cake & eating it" is the acronym that describes this...
not just being Scottish nationalistbutvery much anti British...locked into some struggle that isn't founded on any real practical basis just their version & perception of distant historical events.
The thoughts are from those who are in the same union as the scots are....the views are valid as currently they share the same nationality, passport & to some extent idealsBREXIT - done properly.
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16th Feb 2014 12:19 pm
A.J.M
Member Since: 31 Oct 2009
Location: Carluke
Posts: 2833
My friends who want independence are basically labour fans, all they post up is anti Tory this, that and whatever.
The great currency idea has been blown out the water.
How any Yes voter could realistically think that the rUK would happily have a blank cheque book ready for Scotland is beyond me. How can you think that the rUK would bail you out, act as back up for their financial centres and the public finances is stupid and naive.
So, that's 2 flagship policies, in a week. Killed.
SNP want to remove Trident, at the Uk cost. Where do all the workers go if that is removed?
The MOD has ruled out Scottish shipyards building MOD ships. With SNP not talking much about their own navy, where do the workers go?
Oil, is a finite resource and we are having to import certain gases into the UK as it's running low in the North sea already.
We had a guy arrive at work a couple of year's ago.
For windmill's, if you have a small one on your land you get £16k a year for 25 years, big ones give £25k a year for 25 years. Then you get a cut of any electricity made, up to £30k a year.
All from the Gov's pocket thanks to subsidies... Not a very good business if you need paid by the customers AND the Gov...
Scotland trades 70% with the Uk.
The Uk trades 40% with EU. 20% with the US and only 10% with Scotland.
That's a big chunk of market to lose by going indy.
Then you have the supermarkets talking about higher food costs due to transport costs not being shared out through the uk..
Still no talk about funding pensions, public sector costs, costs of setting up DVLA etc...
The sounds of silence from the SNP on this is deafening, simply saying "trust us, and there will be no more tories" is not imo a way to gain confidence. It's my generation that will need to truly carry this idea. I have no desire for it. Why should a minority of people in Scotland, break up a country, and throw the rest of us who are happy in the Union into uncertainty.In loving memory of FA54WSK.
well put & well saidBREXIT - done properly.
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16th Feb 2014 3:06 pm
Canburne
Member Since: 15 Jan 2013
Location: Devon
Posts: 2035
How's about sharing the currency in return for sharing the oil revenues?
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