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Disco_Mikey
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fendy wrote:I tell you what a lot of what he says isn't far off the mark about the current government.
My mate put it on FB, and I lasted 7 seconds before I switched it off...
No idea what was said in the video, but why will independence make Scotland any different? Every government party are the same. Full of  and only in it for what they can get out My D3 Build Thread
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fendy
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Another non voter then .
I'm still undecided hence the reason I am trying to listen to everyone's views on it. Some good some bad. Either way with a YES vote it will be different (good or bad who knows). 
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| 9th Feb 2014 12:38 pm |
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I think it'll be 'different' no matter what the outcome - a 'No' voyte is likely to end in a 'devo max' outcome IMHO  Currently 2009 Disco 3 SE, 2013 MY D4 HSE and 2016 D4 SE
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| 9th Feb 2014 12:52 pm |
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mse
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Whats funny with the scotish desire to be a nation in their own right - is that for all the Politics (certainly that the SNP want to put forward) the independence discussion has absolutely nothing to do with party politics or politics full stop. (not that it will happen) but the conservatives could get in in Scotland independent or otherwise and still screw something up (as could any party).
So the thought of a debate is laughable at best.
But then again, Scotland is just a region of the UK in my mind and a tiny one at that, in an age of globalisation we should be all in it together rather than trying to split up...unity is strength Mike
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| 9th Feb 2014 12:53 pm |
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scobbs
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100% SCOTTISH INDEPENDANCE WOULD BE A MASSIVE MISTAKE BETTER TOGETHER
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| 9th Feb 2014 12:57 pm |
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Disco_Mikey
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But it's not 100% independence.
Only the bits he wants, such as keeping the British £, and the EU
That said though, he seems fairly certain of thr whole thing, whereas David Cameron has not really added much to the debate  My D3 Build Thread
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| 9th Feb 2014 2:35 pm |
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G_Cam
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One Question for Everyone...
IF it was NOT Wee Eck.. but a more dynamic, slimmer, Less One trick, more internationally focused MP leading the call for independence... would that make a difference? 1 TR6 Rusting away quietly
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| 9th Feb 2014 6:53 pm |
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bigdave
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I see what your saying Gcam but I'm not sure it matters.
The Scots natural canny sense knows deep down that, fiscally at least, its virtual economic suicide.
I get the whole patriotic argument but the numbers just dont add up.
And as Disco Mikey says if your going to hang onto the pound it won't be independence will it?
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| 9th Feb 2014 7:00 pm |
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Disco_Mikey
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All depends where you get the numbers from, Dave 
Some sources say it will not be economically viable for Scotland to go independant. Others say we will be many thousands better off each year.
Who is right? No one knows, as "wee" Eck) is only telling the side of the story he wants to be heard, and as said before, DC has not had much input on the matter, other than "Don't do it" My D3 Build Thread
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| 9th Feb 2014 8:01 pm |
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highlands
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Disco_Mikey wrote:That said though, he seems fairly certain of thr whole thing, whereas David Cameron has not really added much to the debate
I'm not sure what David Cameron has to add to the debate.
Currency:
David Cameron - The UK will keep the pound, ergo Scotland (with a no vote) will keep the pound.
Alex Salmond - 'Independent' Scotland will keep the pound, though he cannot be certain of that. RUK will need to agree.
EU:
David Cameron - UK is in EU therefore Scotland (with will be in EU. If UK decides at a later date UK/Scotland can leave the EU.
Alex Salmond - 'Independent' Scotland will stay/be in the EU, though he cannot be certain of that. EU members will need to agree to Scotland being in the EU.
UK might leave the EU:
David Cameron - UK population will be offerred a referendum (other parties may vary) as to whether they want to stay in the EU or leave, but Scotland (as part of the UK) will certainly stay with it's largest trading partner either way.
Alex Salmond - 'Independent' Scotland will be in the EU (though he cannot be certain of that). If RUK leave the EU 'Independent' Scotland will no longer being in a trading union with its largest trading partner (isn't that the main reasoning for assuming Scotland wants to remain in EU membership)?
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| 9th Feb 2014 8:17 pm |
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highlands
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Disco_Mikey wrote:Some sources say it will not be economically viable for Scotland to go independant.
Are they?
I don't see many/any saying it won't be viable.
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| 9th Feb 2014 8:20 pm |
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Disco_Mikey
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There is much more to the debate than the EU, and the currency.
I was thinking more along the lines of the Yes campaign saying Scotland will be more prosperous, because of X, Y and Z
The No campaign say don't go, it won't work, with no real explanation...
Which opens up a whole other can of worms.
If the Yes campaign wins, and Scotland does end up an independent country, what happens if the country runs out of money? Leaves us right in the with Greece, and Cyprus
The whole country cannot be subsidized by the oil/gas and whisky industries...
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| 9th Feb 2014 8:29 pm |
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bigdave
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Mikey,
Well I'm no economist I just see that BP, RBS, gov of the Bank of England all suggest it's not a good idea.
Add to that the inevitable loss of jobs at Faslane and the Clyde shipyards plus Scotland's share of the current national debt.
Add to that the likely loss of UK civil service jobs I can't see how the figures add up.
Still what the feck do I know.
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| 9th Feb 2014 8:29 pm |
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Disco_Mikey
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I don't see how the figures add up Dave
The Yes crowd keep comparing us to Norway, telling us how well they are doing being independent. But that happened 30 years ago. Had Scotland gone independent then, things would be very different...
Quote:Another important comparison with Norway relates to the establishment of a “sovereign wealth fundâ€. Unlike the UK, since 1996 the Norwegian government has been investing proceeds from its oil revenues into an investment fund so that future generations can benefit too. That fund is now worth over £500 billion (£100,000 per person) – far more than the Norwegian government’s debt.
An independent Scotland could chose to invest in a similar fund.
But we are not Norway. What works for one, may not always work for another
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| 9th Feb 2014 8:47 pm |
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