Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
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Only with the diagostini engine. If you buy like for like there is no doubt they are more expensive. And yes I’m Porker Paul and loving it. DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
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 9th Oct 2018 5:24 pm |
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DG
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Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
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The V6 was only £1500 more but that wasn't a factor for me choosing the 2.0 
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| 9th Oct 2018 5:28 pm |
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Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
Posts: 15496
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I didn’t realise D5 owners were such tight wads, £1500 for a mondeo type engine. DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
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| 9th Oct 2018 5:40 pm |
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DG
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Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
Posts: 50979
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 ...you'd be surprised how good it actually is ...but then again in your case ...maybe not 
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| 9th Oct 2018 5:45 pm |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7441
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The Dundonian wrote:I think the D5 “haters” would really love one, but just can’t afford it, hence the jealousy, which comes out when they slag it off. Just saying. 
I couldn't afford to buy a D5 and was jealous, so I went and bought a Full Fat instead. Flawless logic!  2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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| 9th Oct 2018 5:47 pm |
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chugga90
Member Since: 13 Aug 2014
Location: Buckinghamshire
Posts: 451
 
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Well, I am not sure what category I fit in?
Would definitely not spend my money on a D5.
Too expensive, customer care from both dealership and manufacturer utter rubbish, not to my liking design wise.
Having had the use of both diesel options for many weeks whilst they knocked mine about.
I can say I prefer the four cylinder type. It’s better packaged.
The way JLR conduct themselves means I am not a potential client ever again.
Hopefully they see sense in the future and build products for enthusiasts along with their new business favourites at present. Discovery commercial tdv6 auto 2013
Volkswagen t6 lwb Kombi dsg 4motion 2018
Volkswagen t5.1 lwb single cab tipper 2013
Discovery commercial sdv6 auto 2014 gone and not really missed.
Range Rover Tdv8 gone
Freelander 2 I6 very sadly gone
VW t5 Dsg gone and missed
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| 9th Oct 2018 6:16 pm |
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Someone-Gone
Member Since: 21 Dec 2015
Location: Gone
Posts: 5117
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Oh, are they flogging off FFs cheap, not before time!
I did say there’s always an exception to the rule. Obviously you and Moo are the exceptions!
Have to agree with Chugga, it’s despite lousy dealers and LRCS, whom are totally abysmal and getting worse if it’s possible, that I purchased one.
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| 9th Oct 2018 6:18 pm |
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Dan_NL
Member Since: 19 Sep 2010
Location: world
Posts: 1213
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DG wrote:....My D5 cost little more than the equivalent D4 model I had previously ...
You have a decent tax model, you pay cost of product plus VAT.. .. not so in many other countries, like the Netherlands, Ireland and Portugal.
They put a 'jealousy tax' on it, like we pay a CO2 tax on exhaust values on new vehicles.
Not that its makes a difference to the state, as 75% of the cars generating these taxes are bought by companies and deducted as running costs,
so the pay less other tax, resulting in zero gain for the government. Only private buyers are hit ; hence jealousy-tax..
And the road tax is based on weight, exept for trucks , they pay for a 30TONS truck only 5% of what I pay for my D3 ; based on 'road wear' ,
so logiccally you would pay less for an offroader.. .. not 20x more..
Not that a car 2x heavier is 2 times more expensive, no. Its rather a flat curve until you get above 1500Kg : then its almost a hyperbolical curve.
My D3 is 2.5 times the weight of a Smart diesel but I pay not 2.5 x € 524 , but 7 x € 524 ... 
Now what happened is that they increased roadtax for private cars which don't have a dpf 'factory fitted',as of 2019 with 15%.
So I can pay € 3500 roadtax. In the UK thats GBP250 I believe , not even 10%..
So the value of my car went from € 12.500 last year to € 2.000 this year, if one can sell at all.
So I guess the state owe me € 10.000 in depreciaton due to their policy..
And you pay GBP 47.405- as for us it starts with.. €78.020,- for the base vehicle. To get our base on par it costs € 88.450,-... .. see my problem ?
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| 9th Oct 2018 6:21 pm |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7441
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That is a pretty terrible situation  2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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| 9th Oct 2018 6:47 pm |
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kajtzu
Member Since: 10 Aug 2017
Location: Helsinki
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Jesus, D5 is more expensive in NL than FI 
D5 2.0 Td4 S is €51300 + vehicle tax €19035.59 = €70335.59
D5 3.0 Td6 HSE Lux is €74300 + €34772.02 = 109072.02
D5 3.0 Si6 HSE Lux is €74300 + €52564.14 = 126864.14
VAT 24% is included in the base price. Haven’t heard of any big rebates either.
Right now they’re selling pre-WLTP vehicles at these prices from distributor stock. With WLTP I imagine the prices will be jacked up more. One model of Toyota Landcruiser went up by 14 KEUR here because of that.
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| 9th Oct 2018 6:58 pm |
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Dan_NL
Member Since: 19 Sep 2010
Location: world
Posts: 1213
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Quote: That is a pretty terrible situation
Yep. And the nicest thing is that soon we will be inundated with rejected German diesels as they fal lunder the old regime..
Resulting in dealers closing to not selling a doorhandle and obliged to give guarantee under EU rules to cars bought with German dealers..
.. and then nobody will buy a new car for a decade...
The avarage age of cars went from 7 to 11yrs in 2 yrs ...
Yep : importing cars older then the average as these are free of jealousy tax... 
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| 9th Oct 2018 7:02 pm |
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Dan_NL
Member Since: 19 Sep 2010
Location: world
Posts: 1213
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kajtzu wrote:..D5 3.0 Si6 HSE Lux is €74300 + €52564.14 = 126864.14 ...
€ 135.430 now and will be not imported anymore under new taxation [ € 172.000 +].. 
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| 9th Oct 2018 7:07 pm |
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J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
Posts: 6272
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DG wrote:My D5 cost little more than the equivalent D4 model I had previously ...so I don't see the high cost argument.
It's clearly horses for courses ..afterall who'd of thought I'd see Paul in a Pepper Pig? 
I’ve still got an original D3 brochure, I think my base D3 7 seater was £28k new, my base spec 16MY D4 £40k. 23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
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| 9th Oct 2018 8:10 pm |
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Dan_NL
Member Since: 19 Sep 2010
Location: world
Posts: 1213
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My D3 was the top spec then, heat reflecting pilkington all-around and voice control...
The price at delivery then [ not to me ] was € 94.540,- ... [2006].
When I bought it in 2010 with 163.000kms I paid € 28.950 ... 8)
If I now want to buy a comparable used D4 it will be € 60.000 ...
When I bought it was recession and no one had money for these cars and there were hundreds for sale.
As of 2013 only 30% was sold as compared to 2004/2005/2006 and demand is high : economy booming.
The recession put -25% on the price, economy now +30% , so you end up with around 50% difference in price... 
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| 9th Oct 2018 8:20 pm |
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fat bloke
Member Since: 07 Aug 2006
Location: OXFORD
Posts: 1258
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Why not do what a lot more do here and don't bother taxing it?.
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| 9th Oct 2018 9:24 pm |
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