Member Since: 12 Aug 2018
Location: Henley in arden
Posts: 516
I’m pretty sure in one of Christians videos he says it’s his opinion on what type of oil to use.
I am a huge fan of LR Time and the videos they produce, having followed several to do work on my car.
20th Feb 2023 5:22 pm
HairyFool
Member Since: 04 Jan 2023
Location: North Essex
Posts: 704
I think people are being a little unfair to Christian. At various times he has mentioned what his work background was and he is certainly not coming from just internet searching, he does have technical knowledge to back it up.
What he says does actually make sense generally, I should know from mine.A visitor from the dark side, my other vehicle is an is still an EV. Strictly speaking its SWMBO.
20th Feb 2023 5:57 pm
Lee Trinder
Member Since: 12 Aug 2018
Location: Henley in arden
Posts: 516
Who wouldn’t love his workshop and lift?
20th Feb 2023 6:32 pm
MGO
Member Since: 26 Feb 2011
Location: Ireland
Posts: 21
no question... LR Time is very entertaining
they are a great pair together and for sure Christian is a great pair of hands.
I stumbled across them only recently myself.
I dont blame them for anything they are doing... its their own work on their own machines.
Caution for watching public is to realise that..... and they do state verbally many time it is their own views espeically on the topic of oil specs etc.
20th Feb 2023 7:43 pm
ClassikFan
Member Since: 02 Nov 2016
Location: Surrey
Posts: 1049
I too am a fan of LR Time.
I have watched the episode discussing oil grades a couple of times and what Christian says is very well researched and reasoned but I would like to hear from an oil expert maybe with a counter argument on the matter, not just people quoting the handbook spec as gospel for ever and a day and not taking into account new tech and the fact that most of our engines have a fair few miles in them.Just 'cause you got the power... that don't mean you got the right.
20th Feb 2023 8:39 pm
Moo D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 14487
I like LR Time. Having experienced LR Dealer service, I know who I would trust.
I've just bought a 2008 D3 (160,000miles) for my youngest daughter for her road trip for her Gap year. Having owned 2 D3 and a D4 I think I'd trust my local Indi and LR Time more than LR direct.
I now own a new Defender and am considering changing the oil and filter at 8000 miles. No evidence, other than previous experience running in new cars and doing something that seems right.
At the end of the day it's my money and risk, so I will switch my daughter's D3 to 05 40W.
I've heard nothing to suggest LR Time / Christian is wrong.D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!) Sold
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
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20th Feb 2023 11:11 pm
Motolab
Member Since: 18 Oct 2019
Location: Sleen
Posts: 1820
Quote:
but I would like to hear from an oil expert maybe with a counter argument on the matter
That will not happen….. not anymore…. They are tired of these endless discussions where at least 50% of the people do not believe them “because”
I had once a very respectable oil specialist from castrol HQ invited for a masterclass organized for a classic motorcycle (brand) club…. Amatures quoting, defending social media “knowledge” endlessly, no matter what the oil specialist explained…. Afterwards he did thank me for the invitation, but said, “never again”
People on forums are not the best “listeners” and certainly do not believe written words from (proven) professionals…..Best regards
Harold
Always looking for Pre '55's & Pre war British Motorcycles! knowing or having one for sale? PM please. I visit the UK 6 times a year
Ps. I edit my texts quite often, english is not my native language, so I will edit My “typo’s” etc.
20th Feb 2023 11:12 pm
Flatlander
Member Since: 20 Jul 2015
Location: Here
Posts: 575
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21st Feb 2023 7:22 am
Murtovaara
Member Since: 09 Jun 2021
Location: Sumiainen
Posts: 43
Quote:
SOAP tests to determine engine wear and oil longevity during testing and longer term trend analysis,
I doubt LR time know what the acronym means.
This start to get really interesting or boring... I'm just wondering if the outcome of all this will be positive.
I'm brave enough to say that you who underrate to knowledge or skill of Christian should reconsider.
SOAP is an acronym for many things, one is Spectrometric Oil Analysis Program that does NOT
determine the oil longevity. If you mean this with SOAP? It is simply a tool to measure particles in oil.
When you do this enough you know how much particles can be allowed in oil from some machinery type.
In a way very effective way to figure out without dismantling if the unit require closer attention or not.
This is more a tool for maintenance. Of course in prototype stage you can find out if some components
are too heavily loaded, but this should had been caught earlier with mathematical analysis.
So shortly, these are 2 different things:
1. How much particles are in the oil and what material they are
2. How the oil chemical qualities has changed during use
With the Disco 4 service intervals; engine 26 kkm and 8HP trans 234 kkm it would be very
interesting to see oil tested for chemical qualities.
I have personally solved this by changing engine oil at 10 kkm and transmission next service
at latest 80 kkm.
I repeat, I'm not native English, so bear that in mind if you read this and I'm known to be wrong.[/quote]
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21st Feb 2023 10:37 am
ClassikFan
Member Since: 02 Nov 2016
Location: Surrey
Posts: 1049
Moo wrote:
I like LR Time. Having experienced LR Dealer service, I know who I would trust.
I've just bought a 2008 D3 (160,000miles) for my youngest daughter for her road trip for her Gap year. Having owned 2 D3 and a D4 I think I'd trust my local Indi and LR Time more than LR direct.
I now own a new Defender and am considering changing the oil and filter at 8000 miles. No evidence, other than previous experience running in new cars and doing something that seems right.
At the end of the day it's my money and risk, so I will switch my daughter's D3 to 05 40W.
I've heard nothing to suggest LR Time / Christian is wrong.
Just 'cause you got the power... that don't mean you got the right.
21st Feb 2023 1:35 pm
HairyFool
Member Since: 04 Jan 2023
Location: North Essex
Posts: 704
I come onto this as a ex apprentice served aircraft engineer and inspector which required some in depth knowledge of lubricants and servicing.
When a new aircraft came into service we would send sets of filter plugs to Rolls Royce for analysis. They would respond with reports of where any debris came from ad make recommendations as to when to replace an engine. Panic would not set in every time there was some visible material in the oil unless it was a size that could be felt between the fingers. I can recollect one engine being pulled immediately because of what was found.
Christian produced a detailed video on the oil pump used on the engine, pre and post mod and from different sources. It gets a little technical at times and the scope of the tests done are only what can be achieved in his workshop and I have no issues with any he did. The samples tested had different rotor thicknesses which would have affected oil flow rates and with different clearances which would have had an influence on oil pressures achieved. The samples were far from complete but he did his best with his resources.A visitor from the dark side, my other vehicle is an is still an EV. Strictly speaking its SWMBO.
21st Feb 2023 6:55 pm
jenseneverest
Member Since: 12 Jun 2017
Location: somewhere
Posts: 769
I also run the wrong 5w40 oil in my old disco 3. I say wrong because LR recommend i use castrol 5w30.
LR also say the ZF gearboxes are "sealed for life" mmmm however long life is...
so i take there recommendations with a pinch of salt.
I made the choice to use "wrong" oil because of my own personal experience, i used my brain and made a decision. It was not because some bloke on the internet recommended i do it, although i happen to agree with most of what he says.
21st Feb 2023 7:15 pm
gstuart
Member Since: 21 Oct 2016
Location: kent
Posts: 14177
Just came across this with regards to oil in the Citroen C6 engine , hopefully it’s of interest
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7th Mar 2023 9:21 pm
Motolab
Member Since: 18 Oct 2019
Location: Sleen
Posts: 1820
Citroen C6
Was build from 2005 till now 2023!
With both 4 cilinder diesels, 2.2 and 6 cil 2.7 and 3.0 (i think)
(Engine:Petrol, 3.0 L ES9 V6, Diesel, 2.2 L DW12 twin-turbo I4, 2.7 L AJD turbo V6, 3.0 L AJD turbo V6)
What year is your table from? Without a year/model designation …. Best regards
Harold
Always looking for Pre '55's & Pre war British Motorcycles! knowing or having one for sale? PM please. I visit the UK 6 times a year
Ps. I edit my texts quite often, english is not my native language, so I will edit My “typo’s” etc.
7th Mar 2023 9:43 pm
gstuart
Member Since: 21 Oct 2016
Location: kent
Posts: 14177
Hi Harold
Apologises as I forgot to add the workshop manual link
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