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Discomadness wrote:
gstuart wrote:
Like u guys also mystified
Looking at the sequence in what the gearbox uses there no mention of a MAP sensor , bizarre
It completely threw me too ! I just didn’t get why the map sensor would effect it ! I did fit the new battery at the same time I think so maybe it was just battery related ?
Think Baby, Toys, Pram!! Disco's typically throw the lot out if there's even a small problem. That's why its so important to start with the simple stuff first. Do the basics before you pull out the multimeter
4th Aug 2018 4:03 pm
gstuart
Member Since: 21 Oct 2016
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Hi profsr
Indeed and totally agree
I heard that someone had there entire loom replaced and the error was rear bulbs that were the cause
Was done by a main dealer , whether it’s true 100% will never know
Always remember when I was a heating engineer , large companies had engineers what I called glorified part changers , they learnt nothing and just kept throwing parts at an issue when nothing worked
Had one and the guy must have fitted over £500 of parts and had spent hours on it ,
When I took the casing off I saw it was a faulty o ring that caused water to drop on a wire that blew a fuse , £5 for the parts and was fixed in 30 x mins
Always taught me to start with basics , on oil boilers, ie has the oil ran out and electric on
So indeed as u say always best to start with basics and must admit with these vehicles having a code reader is an essential part of the tool box
4th Aug 2018 4:26 pm
PROFSR G
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Actually, speaking of parts fitters you remind me of an incident when I was an apprenticed to a Toyota dealership back in the late 1970's. In those days not all cars were fitted with seat belts as standard, and my lead Mechanic and I were tasked with fitting such. A few days later the new car returned with the complaint of "no tail lights"
After he had insisted on changing everything from switch, bulbs, connectors, lamps, fuse board, and a week of searching for the problem we were no better off and no wiser.
Although foremost in my mind, in those days you wouldn't dare suggest it might be related to the fitted seat belts (questioning his ability and the quality of his work!) Eventually though, he had to visit the by now even more terrible prospect that his work on the belts might indeed be where the problem was emanating.
It turned out that the bolt he used to fix the belt to the driver side "B" pillar was too long, and consequently had pinched the loom to the rear lights causing a dead short.
He was a good man who took great pride in his work and by no means a "parts fitter," but he was unable to consider the possibility that his workmanship or quality of same was at the root. Consequently, a very embarrassing incident for him with his colleagues to say nothing of the time wasted.
I learned at least two things from that incident, 1. Never be afraid to question if I've made a mistake, and 2. never to put anything into a hollow cavity without first establishing what is behind it, automotive or otherwise!
I would also like to add, this has absolutely no relevance to the issue experienced by Discomadness, but simply my own ramblings inspired by the phrase "parts fitter" Rambling completed
4th Aug 2018 8:55 pm
gstuart
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How very true , always think it takes a bigger man to admit they’ve got something wrong and indeed as u say when I was an apprentice plumber I darnt of suggested my senior fitter had got some thing wrong
Guy that taught me was an ex para, had to ensure I got his morning tea, food throughout the day and end of the day make sure all his tools were put back where they belong and cleaned off
Van had to also be kept clean, Thk him now for the work ethic but didn’t at the time
When I taught apprentices I always told them never be scared to ask any question u wanted and if u think something is wrong plse say , I never pulled them up in front of a customer
Always taught them with boiler faults as you’ve also mentioned , basics first and also how something worked in order they had an understanding
Sorry am gassing again
4th Aug 2018 9:21 pm
Discomadness
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I’m the same with my apprentice. Ask anything you want. Don’t be afraid to point things out. To be fair he’s 18 but the best youngster I’ve had to work with. Enthusiastic, hard working and never see him during work hours with his phone in his hand. Can’t ask for more.
Don’t get me started ref other people missing the mark. My absolute favourites...
Call out to uppercwmbumfuq miles away because tenant has no heating or hot water. Give them a ring and conversation goes.... “have you got prepay meters” “yes” “have you checked the gas is on ?” “Of course I have, now what are you going to do about it, my nans dog is cold and I got no hot water to wash my cider cans out for recycling in the back garden” drive all the way up there (like 45mins drive) first thing I check is the gas meter. Press button A..... display says “gas...off” and my first thought is “well you” happens at least once a month.
Second favourite are the ones that think because they have a breakdown or a leak that it’s directly your fault and your having a mountain of for no other reason than they are frustrated even though you didn’t instal it.
And my absolute favourite. Customer asks for a price... give customer a price after a site visit etc, customer then says “nah Dai down the road can do if for half that” get Dai to do it then. 6 months later it breaks down. Dai has left the country and guess who they call to fix it. Guess who hangs up on them.Jarrod
Current : D3 2007 HSE - AKA the lemon
-beanie grille
-detango with led bulbs
-club body off rebuild. TWICE.
4th Aug 2018 10:11 pm
gstuart
Member Since: 21 Oct 2016
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I always useto write on the invoice of any work that needs doing so when they ring months later they can’t say I didn’t tell them
Worse is giving a price, they agree , then when the time comes to pay they haggle over the price , so get them to sign the invoice prior to starting work
Said to them do u go to the supermarket and haggle
4th Aug 2018 10:22 pm
Discomadness
Member Since: 19 Jan 2015
Location: Caerphilly
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Haha yeah your absolutely spot on. Or the ones who have a price and then change things add things etc and then kick off when you give them the bill or the “while your doing that can you do me a favour” where the favour ends up being more work than the job you were there for in the first place. Jarrod
Current : D3 2007 HSE - AKA the lemon
-beanie grille
-detango with led bulbs
-club body off rebuild. TWICE.
4th Aug 2018 10:30 pm
gstuart
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Location: kent
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Oh yes the favour jobs, we’ve all had those nightmares
Must admit would always do extra work, ie change bulbs etc or change a tap washer FOC for elderly people who struggled , clear there path of snow so didn’t slip as they went outdoors
Hopefully someone will do the same for me when I get older
Also useto stay away from ravenheat, biasi and also the other cheap boilers , also vokera and elm la blanc
As soon as u touched them something else broke
Stayed with Worcester, potterton, glow worm, valiant , etc , would only fit honeywell controls and grundfos pumps
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