KDP Villa
Member Since: 15 Apr 2015
Location: Midlands
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The Dundonian wrote:+1 for the D4. Times move on however and so do our choices in vehicle.
The main problem I have with the D5 apart from cosmetic crap, is the price to get an acceptable spec and the accelerated depreciation.
This is exactly where I am. I love my D4, it is unquestionably the best car I’ve ever owned for so many reasons. I’m not as offended by the D5 as some but to get a reasonable spec I’m looking at £55k. This added to the residual figure doesn’t stack up for me.
Not sure where to go now to be honest, but I need to seriously think about changing this year due to the mileage I do.
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 13th Jan 2018 10:33 pm |
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jimbg
Member Since: 19 Apr 2013
Location: UK
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I guess you are talking about PCP and GFV?
The GFV's quoted on the LR builder hopefully are very conservative, time will tell in a couple of years when the early cars are 3 years old?
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| 13th Jan 2018 10:37 pm |
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Moo
D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
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My sister was looking at changing her D4 for a D5 as a cash buyer. However, the fleet manager at BIL company told her to stay well clear: Residuals are very poor and there is already talk in the trade of issues with oil dilution and potential engine failure.
I do wonder if JLR have shot themselves in the foot moving from their core market to compete in the yummy mummy mass market. Time will tell.
I no longer see the brand as 'land rovers' but more school run cruisers. New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner 
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
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| 13th Jan 2018 10:48 pm |
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J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
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I can confirm trade in value is poor, originally offered £40k for mine @10 months old, £54k purchase price, though selling my spec with higher mileage and 2.0 for £47k. My dealers putting it down to the current state of affairs, anti diesel, Brexit etc.
Though apparently their Edinburgh site, can’t get used ones for love nor money. 23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
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| 14th Jan 2018 12:03 am |
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jimbg
Member Since: 19 Apr 2013
Location: UK
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J77, trade in after the first year hits any car badly. I know I made a "mistake" a year or so ago and it cost me dearly.
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| 14th Jan 2018 8:37 am |
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jimbg
Member Since: 19 Apr 2013
Location: UK
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Moo wrote:My sister was looking at changing her D4 for a D5 as a cash buyer. However, the fleet manager at BIL company told her to stay well clear: Residuals are very poor and there is already talk in the trade of issues with oil dilution and potential engine failure.
I do wonder if JLR have shot themselves in the foot moving from their core market to compete in the yummy mummy mass market. Time will tell.
I no longer see the brand as 'land rovers' but more school run cruisers.
The oil dilution problem is the one to worry about and affects Sports, Disco Sport etc as well.
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| 14th Jan 2018 8:39 am |
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J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
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£14k was still steep. I’ve changed many cars after a year and that’s been the worst offer. Eventually got more but it was a shock. 23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
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| 14th Jan 2018 10:06 am |
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Tripe
Member Since: 28 Jun 2015
Location: Tasmania
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US Car sales article 8 jan 2018
"Like many other economic indicators, the continued growth of sales at Land Rover suggests 2017 was a pretty good year. Land Rover’s US operations delivered a total of 74,739 vehicles during the past year, surpassing the previous record set in 2016 by 898 units.
As in past years, the Range Rover Sport accounted for the largest percentage of sales by model, with 19,153 units retailed. Not far behind was the full-size Range Rover with 16,869 sales. The Discovery Sport has recently been a strong performer as well, exceeding the Range Rover Sport in December and hanging with its bigger stablemate for most of the year.
Sales figures for the new Discovery have been largely absent from the monthly reports (we’re looking into this) but seem to be trailing significantly behind the rest of the range"
This confirms my experience, in looking for sales performance, LR are not publishing sales of the D5.
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| 16th Jan 2018 10:08 am |
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kajtzu
Member Since: 10 Aug 2017
Location: Helsinki
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Tripe wrote:
Sales figures for the new Discovery have been largely absent from the monthly reports (we’re looking into this) but seem to be trailing significantly behind the rest of the range"
This confirms my experience, in looking for sales performance, LR are not publishing sales of the D5.
Wait for the annual report, there tends to be a breakdown per model 
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| 16th Jan 2018 11:43 am |
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J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
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To be honest, who really cares. It either sells or it doesn’t. The only loser is LR. 23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
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| 16th Jan 2018 8:53 pm |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
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jimbg wrote:Before we start the conspiracy theories!! 
https://b.jcms-api.com/download/2b8cf07f-0...ement.xlsx
That’s interesting that the figures for the Discovery should show such an increase from Dec 16 to Dec 26. But wasn’t Dec 16 three months after the old one went out of proction and three months before deliveries of the new one started? 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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| 16th Jan 2018 9:11 pm |
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110CSW
Member Since: 19 Oct 2005
Location: Scotland
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jimbg wrote:Before we start the conspiracy theories!!
https://b.jcms-api.com/download/2b8cf07f-0...ement.xlsx
Basically confirms what people think, the D5 is struggling and only selling the same number of units as the FFRR. The good news is that F Pace and Velar are doing well so JLR is making up for the D5 miss with good growth elsewhere. I just think it's a shame that the only full size 7 seater they make was not replaced with more thought as they have lost many repeat customers like myself. 2014MY Discovery
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| 17th Jan 2018 10:25 am |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
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Regardless of sales figures. I still see very few D5’s on the road. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
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| 17th Jan 2018 10:42 am |
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jimbg
Member Since: 19 Apr 2013
Location: UK
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110CSW wrote:jimbg wrote:Before we start the conspiracy theories!!
https://b.jcms-api.com/download/2b8cf07f-0...ement.xlsx
Basically confirms what people think, the D5 is struggling and only selling the same number of units as the FFRR. The good news is that F Pace and Velar are doing well so JLR is making up for the D5 miss with good growth elsewhere. I just think it's a shame that the only full size 7 seater they make was not replaced with more thought as they have lost many repeat customers like myself.
According to the figures for the fiscal year to date, which are the only comparable numbers when both cars were in full production in the relevant year
April - Dec 2016 ( D4 ) 33,659
April - Dec 2017 ( D5 ) 34,472
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| 17th Jan 2018 11:07 am |
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