J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
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Pelyma wrote:And it’ll all be a waste of effort if they don’t sort the Dealerships out.
I’m one of the lucky few who has a decent dealer. My salesman looks after me well and I can’t really fault the service department.
Hopefully LR have the Hybrid Defender ready from launch. 23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
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Quote:My salesman looks after me well
Does he give you big discounts? Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 20th Apr 2019 8:32 pm |
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J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
Posts: 6272
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I do get the odd discount but it’s the whole package, discount on the new car, good trade in price plus other bits thrown in. 23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
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| 20th Apr 2019 8:56 pm |
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jjvd21
Member Since: 16 Jul 2007
Location: Chicago
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I drove an RRS SVR today, what a beast! Salesperson said they can’t move the D5 and it will require a complete redesign. He said they will make significant changes to the Disco Sport to boost sales and then they hope LR tackles the D5 update after the Defender sales roll on. 16 D4 Landmark
05 D3 HSE V8
THE original D4 spotter
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| 21st Apr 2019 3:02 am |
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DG
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Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
Posts: 50979
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Strange view from the dealer considering this from JLR NA February results....
Quote:February 2019 Land Rover Discovery achieved its best ever retail month since March 2017, up 25 percent
21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 21st Apr 2019 3:13 am |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7441
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jjvd21 wrote:I drove an RRS SVR today, what a beast! Salesperson said they can’t move the D5 and it will require a complete redesign. He said they will make significant changes to the Disco Sport to boost sales and then they hope LR tackles the D5 update after the Defender sales roll on.
Hopefully they’ll be giving LR plenty of feedback on that so that they can get it right next time.
It’s a bit reminiscent of Chris Bangle’s days at BMW. BMW styling has managed to not only recover, but thrive since those dark days. LR might be able to move on to better things too. The Velar and new Evoque might be clones and not especially practical (although they don’t need to be practical) but at least they look good  The new Defender is unlikely to be a relevant successor to the original, but the shape looks good and it looks like it might be practical too. The signs are hopeful  2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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| 21st Apr 2019 6:15 am |
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AndrewS
Tarquin of the Desert
Member Since: 06 May 2005
Location: Y...... because I can
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Just think how hopeful it would look if they were to make a pick up. In the Beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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| 21st Apr 2019 5:28 pm |
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Dexter
Member Since: 21 Sep 2007
Location: Aberdeenshire
Posts: 1394
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Following one of our regular trips to Glenmore I noted that there was not one D5 tow car 😳
Usually during a walk round the site when it’s full I would see all that LR has to offer including many Discoveries of all ages being the family tow car of choice. Same this year but not one D5 on site nor any to be seen in Aviemore or the surrounding area.
Maybe just a coincindence 
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| 21st Apr 2019 7:26 pm |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
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By the very action of going more mainstream and chasing the volume sales of the more ordinary/nondescript SUV’s, it now no longer has that ultimate tow car appeal and knock out status in tow car Top Trumps!  Sure, it can still (mostly) tow 3.5 tonnes and is probably just as capable, certainly when fitted with 6, but it doesn’t make the same statement that turning up with a Disco used to.
In a way the designers have really succeeded in making it pretty indistinguishable from a BMW or a Volvo. So why not just buy an XC90, or an X5 and save a shed load of cash. Alternatively, if you you’d prefer not to give the impression that you’re something in advertising, consultancy or recruitment and even get dirt under your fingernails during the week, save even more and get a Ford Ranger, or similar 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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| 21st Apr 2019 8:12 pm |
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DG
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Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
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Quote: chasing the volume sales
...it's called survival 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 21st Apr 2019 8:40 pm |
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kajtzu
Member Since: 10 Aug 2017
Location: Helsinki
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Economies of scale
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| 21st Apr 2019 9:10 pm |
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Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
Posts: 15496
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Turn over for vanity, profit for sanity. DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
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| 21st Apr 2019 9:19 pm |
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Tripe
Member Since: 28 Jun 2015
Location: Tasmania
Posts: 285
 
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silly me, I misquoted the D5 sales figures, it was 144 units for the month, not 150.
Australia, has a population of just under half of England
I’ve only seen 3, D5’s on the road since it was released in 2017.
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| 21st Apr 2019 10:59 pm |
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DG
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Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
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But Tasmania only has one road 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 21st Apr 2019 11:15 pm |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
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DG wrote:Quote: chasing the volume sales
...it's called survival
Not if you leave a market sector that you once dominated to be a “me too” design, in a larger market sector, against much bigger and wealthier competitors; competitors that are capable of eye watering discounts and other substantial sales support. Just think of the level of “pricing support” that BMW will have given to buy the police’s business nationwide - and in JLR’s own backyard too!
I can absolutely understand LR’s frustration when the X5 outsold the D4 5:1, but the ‘5 has (at best) only given them very modest growth figures, while Volvo has since made a lot of inroads into the D4’s traditional customer base. 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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