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I would be tempted to have mine sign written in massive lettering with the issues and mileage etc and start leaving outside landrover dealerships for portential buyers to be aware of the inherent issues, might even get some interest from the papers, seen it done before and was effective.
21st Dec 2016 12:13 pm
Sinci1
Member Since: 13 Dec 2016
Location: Wales
Posts: 62
that may just happen !!
21st Dec 2016 12:21 pm
Deanos_Beano
Member Since: 21 Feb 2016
Location: Lancashire
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I apologise for this in such a serious time
But it maybe explains in some precarious manner the D5 and a 2.0 engine , maybe it has a more reliable crank perhaps ?
21st Dec 2016 12:28 pm
Deanos_Beano
Member Since: 21 Feb 2016
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DG wrote:
Deanos_Beano wrote:
Some further study shows officially that 1.3 percent of owners in SA aline had failures
“The issue affects only 1.3 percent of Land Rover engines sold in South Africa over the past 10 years,”
Which if correct is not far from the average% of all engine failure across all manufacturers.
Sinci1 wrote:
I have made a claim to LR who offered 40%. I have gone back to LR and asked them to review the case and they have responded saying that 40% is the maximum they will offer. I have received a written quote from Stratstone quoting the figures I have posted.
Where do you suggest I go from here, I don't know where else to 'push' for a better deal.
There must be a reason behind the 40% offer vs what others have had which is 100%.
Legal action may not be your friend as given the time it is you that has to prove your case
Direct action on social media is a very, very strong lever but you do risk them withdrawing their offer ...if however the offer is already completely untenable then you have nothing to lose ...ratchet up with direct messages on twitter and facebook to both LR and your dealer.
I advocate devils advocacy but I think your clutching at straws when you equate a single point of failure costing 15k plus being accepted norm across the motoring industry ?
21st Dec 2016 12:30 pm
Sinci1
Member Since: 13 Dec 2016
Location: Wales
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I am shocked that (based on the figures quoted for South Africa) one in one hundred engines will suffer crank failure and catastrophic engine failure costing more than most people can afford to fix can be considered OK. How can that be acceptable ?
21st Dec 2016 12:43 pm
Charlie610
Member Since: 17 Sep 2014
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The figures have got to be more than 1%, at my place of work alone 3 of us have D4s which have suffered the same fate, one of them was 18 months old with 12,000 miles on the clock.
Mine was the only one without a warranty
21st Dec 2016 12:56 pm
Sinci1
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I don't know the source of the data but even one in one hundred seems a high failure rate to me and indicates that this is a big problem. From my limited research it seems that most people use independents to repair or replace the engine as solution with LR is just not affordable and people need their cars back on the road. Maybe they don't make it into the stats.
21st Dec 2016 1:00 pm
Sinci1
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Location: Wales
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Charlie610 wrote:
The figures have got to be more than 1%, at my place of work alone 3 of us have D4s which have suffered the same fate, one of them was 18 months old with 12,000 miles on the clock.
Mine was the only one without a warranty
sorry to hear yours wasn't covered, but three in one place !! when did that happen ?
21st Dec 2016 1:02 pm
Charlie610
Member Since: 17 Sep 2014
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All between mid August and 3 weeks ago.
Mine: D4 2010 (59 plate) 110,000 miles
Colleague 1: 2010 (10 plate) about 70,000 miles
Colleague 2: 2015 (15 plate) about 12,000 miles
I had a shocking time with JLR exec customer services and ended up selling mine to Kris from the forum to save myself the stress as it was clear JLR were not going to budge from their pathetic 20% good will offer.
21st Dec 2016 1:08 pm
Sinci1
Member Since: 13 Dec 2016
Location: Wales
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OK so think about it like this. I've had 3157 views of my post and I am assuming they are all LR drivers. Given that the stats say 'only' 1.3% of these engines suffer from this issue that is approx. 41 people in this situation with an insurmountable repair bill. That makes you think doesn't it.
Again I have no idea where these stats come from but they are being quoted by the site moderator.
I'm sorry you had to offload your car but thanks for the info
21st Dec 2016 1:15 pm
Deanos_Beano
Member Since: 21 Feb 2016
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Charlie610 wrote:
The figures have got to be more than 1%, at my place of work alone 3 of us have D4s which have suffered the same fate, one of them was 18 months old with 12,000 miles on the clock.
Mine was the only one without a warranty
Figures are from LR pertaining to failures in SA alone allegedly see linked page in my previous post for details.
21st Dec 2016 1:21 pm
Sinci1
Member Since: 13 Dec 2016
Location: Wales
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No figures available for UK then ?
21st Dec 2016 1:23 pm
Deanos_Beano
Member Since: 21 Feb 2016
Location: Lancashire
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Maybe via Topix but I wouldnt know how to obtain them , maybe someone else can?
that 1.3% is , you could easily multiply this by 10 and be nowhere near the real figures.
The reason? Most people who drive D4s here in ZA do not drive such vehicles without a service plan, and most will trade the vehicle in before the 5 year service plan expiry.
As such, most crank failures would not have been reported publicly, as the dealers would have repaired everything under warranty.
It's only the LR fans who would have reported the failures, esp if it happened outside of service plan.
so big bag of salt with that figure. One of the chaps on the local forum guesstimated it to be closer to 15% --
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Sinci1 wrote:
OK so think about it like this. I've had 3157 views of my post and I am assuming they are all LR drivers. Given that the stats say 'only' 1.3% of these engines suffer from this issue that is approx. 41 people in this situation with an insurmountable repair bill. That makes you think doesn't it.
I'll set up a poll and we can see how many site users have experienced the issue 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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that may just happen !!
, you could easily multiply this by 10 and be nowhere near the real figures.
