kernowexpeditionaryforce
Member Since: 15 Jan 2009
Location: Kernow
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intrestingly ive had this happen twice after exceeding the max wading depth by a wee bit 
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Mr Fudge
Member Since: 01 Oct 2009
Location: Northampton
Posts: 106
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OK mine has now been fixed according to the garage - when they plugged it in it had 41 fault codes 
Some of those were probably down to the fact I had replaced the battery before we went to Austria.
The local 4x4 specialist got it on Friday (after it fianlly died and wouldn't restart), his tentative diagnosis was fule pump, and he has just confirmed that was it and it's all fixed.
I'll colelct it tomorrow and get the bill 
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| 3rd Mar 2010 8:25 pm |
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MiLow
Member Since: 20 Dec 2007
Location: Aberdeenshire
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Since I last posted, I have had many more of these faults. I was so  ed off on one occasion that I requested recovery for the vehicle + my loaded car transporter. The vehicle has since spent another 4 days with the dealer and they can offer no explanation and are still unable to replicate the faults. This saturday I am taking a LR Tech out with me so that I can demonstrate the fault while they have their computer plugged in. However, it is s pretty frustrating and tme consuming process.
If I was to guess, in my case I think that the fault originates in the gearbox or communication between gearbox and engine systems. I say this because if I use commandshift and manually change gear, maintaining 60mph in 6th gear it never faults. However, in D and in 6th gear at 60mph it continually faults when towing or loaded.
Hopefully I can shed a little more light next week.
Mike
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| 4th Mar 2010 2:10 pm |
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quark
Member Since: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Numedal
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So I had the turbo replaced as advised by LR.
Everything ran smooth for a week...then 4 days ago, just after coming off the brow of a hill and taking my foot off the accelerator, my favourite error appeared. I pulled in, stopped and started and away I went.
This is the 12th time this has happened now and the first since the new turbo.
The following circumstances are always true when it happens (I wanted to share this in case there is some kind of pattern out there):
1. it is -18C according to the temperature sensor on the car (I think this must be a strange coincidence?)
2. I have come over the brow of a hill and have taken my foot of the accelerator, usually because a roundabout or some other junction is coming up)
So now I am always paranoid when the temperature is near -18C or I am reducing revs.
I also heard from the mechanic that he had three of these 'turbo failures' in one week...
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| 5th Mar 2010 8:07 pm |
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MiLow
Member Since: 20 Dec 2007
Location: Aberdeenshire
Posts: 27
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I spent this morning demonstrating the engine system faults to a LR Technician. He agreed that the fault was unusual with the fault code not even being on the published list. After some dialogue with LR Technical, the unlisted code was concluded as having been seen previously when a vehicle had been towing a trailer with an unstable load under braking. Apparently this had been seen previously while towing a trailer with a large water filled tank and the faults occured as the vehicle braked and the water caused the vehicle to surge due to water sloshing about in the tank.
During my 80 mile test drive with my loaded car tranporter the vehicle faulted twice at a steady 60 mph both times after climbing a gentle hill! No unstable loads and not under braking. They were even more puzzled by the fact that I get the same faults even when the trailer is not being towed.
They will be talking to LR Technical next week to see what to do next.
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| 7th Mar 2010 12:15 am |
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JF Lux
Member Since: 08 Sep 2007
Location: A little country in Europe
Posts: 3522
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MiLow - at least that sounds promising for you. 
Unfortunately, I have never towed...so I think I have my own little problem... The next American ex-pat that calls it a "truck" is going to find out what 2.7 tons feels like on their foot...
Club "yes, I too have had the EGR's replaced..."
Club "yes, I too have had the compressor replaced..."
Club "yes, I too once had the car at the dealer for a couple of weeks nearly 4 weeks over 4 weeks...5 weeks"
Club "yes, I too have had EPB failure..."
Club "yes, I too get mysterious bings and bongs..."
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| 7th Mar 2010 5:23 pm |
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JR
Member Since: 23 Jul 2009
Location: Cape Town
Posts: 76
 
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| Re: Hairy Moment - Engine Fault Warning |
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andymount wrote:Have had this problem 2 or 3 times before usually when towing but yesterday was a bit hairy to say the least.
Anybody else had similar? Is it a replacement under warranty??
Hi Andy. Check my thread titled 'Help Power Loss'. Read my first and last post on the thread. I had a similar problem and it seems it's been solved - at no cost to me!
Cheers.
JR
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| 7th Mar 2010 8:08 pm |
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JF Lux
Member Since: 08 Sep 2007
Location: A little country in Europe
Posts: 3522
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JR - I was just reading your update. Thanks for that info. I haven't had any issues for 3 weeks now but still need to follow up with the garage...this software update could be another option to pursue. The next American ex-pat that calls it a "truck" is going to find out what 2.7 tons feels like on their foot...
Club "yes, I too have had the EGR's replaced..."
Club "yes, I too have had the compressor replaced..."
Club "yes, I too once had the car at the dealer for a couple of weeks nearly 4 weeks over 4 weeks...5 weeks"
Club "yes, I too have had EPB failure..."
Club "yes, I too get mysterious bings and bongs..."
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| 7th Mar 2010 8:10 pm |
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JR
Member Since: 23 Jul 2009
Location: Cape Town
Posts: 76
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Glad I could help, but it was 10forcash (he's a site sponsor) who's ultimately responsable for my fix. I raised his points with the LR lads who found the problem.
This really is a great site. Thanks to all who are involved with it.
Cheers
JR
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| 7th Mar 2010 8:29 pm |
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D4Comm
Member Since: 08 Dec 2007
Location: Suffolk
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Happened again this morning while towing......... Also now have some serious turbo lag between gear changes. Had been feeling a bit of turbo lag earlier in the week, with and without trailer on. Pushed the D3 very hard in all gears with trailer to try and trigger a fault but never did. This morning, ticking along at 50mph minding my own business it happened!! Every time its happened now has been at around 50mph on flat roads with trailer ???? 11 RR 4.4 TDV8 
15 D4 Comm SDV6
58 RR 3.6 TDV8 (Gone)
12 D4 Comm SDV6 (Gone)
08 D3 Comm TDV6 (Gone)
54 D2 Comm TD5 (Gone)
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| 13th Mar 2010 11:25 pm |
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highbayrack
Member Since: 09 Jul 2008
Location: Northamptonshire
Posts: 2776
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Could I have the same problem ??? a few times whilst accelerating over the past couple of months and without warning I loose power, literally for a second or two. It then corrects itself. It all happens so quickly iv'e never noticed a warning message, but tonight it happened again on my way home and I saw the first part of the message which said either "System fault" or "System failure",then ..........? which I didn't catch.
So far, it's never happened whilst iv'e been overtaking.
My D3 is an 08 with 28k miles, i've had a J.E stage 1 tune for about 12 months
Any thoughts please On a mission to find the perfect Pork Pie. Just Found it (I think)..(Yes I have)
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| 15th Mar 2010 9:03 pm |
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JF Lux
Member Since: 08 Sep 2007
Location: A little country in Europe
Posts: 3522
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D3 in at the dealer today for a software update of the main ECU. Apparently this is supposed to be the last step in getting rid of the "Engine System Fault" message. Have only had it 3 times over the last 4 weeks so frequency has dropped.
Also in 4 weeks there has been no sign of any power loss, engine shut-down, Special Programs off etc since the parts of the wiring loom, MAF sensors and a couple of thermostats have been replaced.
So fingers crossed for me... The next American ex-pat that calls it a "truck" is going to find out what 2.7 tons feels like on their foot...
Club "yes, I too have had the EGR's replaced..."
Club "yes, I too have had the compressor replaced..."
Club "yes, I too once had the car at the dealer for a couple of weeks nearly 4 weeks over 4 weeks...5 weeks"
Club "yes, I too have had EPB failure..."
Club "yes, I too get mysterious bings and bongs..."
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| 22nd Mar 2010 10:20 pm |
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highbayrack
Member Since: 09 Jul 2008
Location: Northamptonshire
Posts: 2776
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JF Lux, hope it resolves the problem on yours, mine did it again yesterday.... doing 50mph on a flat straight road, tried to accelerate a little.............. nothing (no power)except the fault warning for a second or three, then powererd back on again. Having a 30k service from 10forcash in a week or two so he will take a look at it. On a mission to find the perfect Pork Pie. Just Found it (I think)..(Yes I have)
Official product sponsor for "Bloodhound SSC" 1000+ mph world land speed record
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| 22nd Mar 2010 10:30 pm |
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cmyers_uk
Member Since: 10 Apr 2005
Location: Near Bristol, UK
Posts: 433
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interestingly had LR Tech sorting my EGR valves this morning and we were discussing the computer system and the upload process etc. And he told a story which sound similar to this one. Basically when towing things within wait limit but with high wind resistance the engine light comes on loss of power, you stop , restart all fine. And it was traced to the software shuting down to protect the turbo. A software update has been released to stop it happening. Not sure if its related but the inital symptoms in the thread seem very similar to his explanation
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| 22nd Mar 2010 11:59 pm |
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JF Lux
Member Since: 08 Sep 2007
Location: A little country in Europe
Posts: 3522
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cmyers_uk wrote:A software update has been released to stop it happening
Could be. The workshop manager said that this software update was related to turbo management. Includes the start-up sequence where it will waggle the variable vanes. The next American ex-pat that calls it a "truck" is going to find out what 2.7 tons feels like on their foot...
Club "yes, I too have had the EGR's replaced..."
Club "yes, I too have had the compressor replaced..."
Club "yes, I too once had the car at the dealer for a couple of weeks nearly 4 weeks over 4 weeks...5 weeks"
Club "yes, I too have had EPB failure..."
Club "yes, I too get mysterious bings and bongs..."
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| 23rd Mar 2010 8:20 am |
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