They count AdBlue as a negative, no more difficult at filling up than the 4
Still not much in it in my eyes.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
17th Mar 2019 4:54 pm
RDR
Member Since: 24 Mar 2013
Location: Derbyshire
Posts: 2260
yeh I noted that but assumed their 4 didn't have it either way not something I would have specifically called out.MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten
MY12 HSE - Gone
MY16 HSE Luxury - Sold
MY20 D5 HSE - Sold
Current RR L460 PHEV
17th Mar 2019 5:00 pm
J77
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Posts: 6272
Yeah probably didn’t get the EU6 4s down under.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
17th Mar 2019 5:05 pm
Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
Posts: 15496
As Ken said the X7 does make quite a compelling case if it lives up to the hype.
DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
17th Mar 2019 5:42 pm
J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
Posts: 6272
Horrid face or horrid rear?
Decisions, decisions23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
17th Mar 2019 5:52 pm
Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
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Posts: 7441
DG wrote:
D5
Width of opening at boot floor level = 1150mm
Width of opening at inner roof level = 940mm
Centre height boot floor to centre inner roof = 840mm
Side height boot floor to side inner roof = 760mm
Tailgate height from ground (standard access height) =780mm
Tailgate height from ground (reduced access height) = 760mm
Bit crude but
Sorry it’s taken a while but, like for like with the L405 Fatty:
Width of opening at boot floor level = 1130mm
Width of opening at inner roof level = 960
Centre height boot floor to centre inner roof = 830mm
Side height boot floor to side inner roof = 805mm
Tailgate height from ground (standard access height) =740mm (corrected)
Tailgate height from ground (reduced access height) = N/A
Are you sure about that access height DG? Parked side by side, there’s always been a big difference when moving dog between Fatty and service loaner D5 (which is only logical, with the same floor pan and similar running gear, but allowing greater height to pack the third row seats down into the boot floor).
Please could someone measure the same figures for a ‘4 and post them here?2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
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17th Mar 2019 7:26 pm
Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7441
Pelyma wrote:
As Ken said the X7 does make quite a compelling case if it lives up to the hype.
Good grief, that’s ugly!! 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
17th Mar 2019 7:50 pm
DG Site Moderator
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Sorry DG, my mistake. Checked it again this morning and standard access height is 740mm:
2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
18th Mar 2019 7:20 am
Moo D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 14487
So is the OP any closer in his decision?D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!) Sold
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
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Prospeed ladder
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18th Mar 2019 7:34 am
al cope
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Its the tailgate appeture that lets the D5 down, as its not as high as the D4. I could get a fridge or washing machine upright in the D4, but cant in the D5 as the opening hieght is 32.5" (in old money) and a typical undercounter appliance is 34" high.
The chap with the big dog would have to get him to duck
The actual loadbed inside is longer than the D4.
AlVolvo XC90 B5 Plus Dark
Gone - MY18 D5 HSE - Corris on 22's with Black Pack
Now gone - MY16 D4 SE Tech, Loire Blue, Almond Leather, Privacy, plus some other goodies.
Old - MY12 D4 SDV6 XS Auto - Ipanema Sand with Almond Leather - Plus other niceties, and D4.com sticker
Older - D3 TDV6 XS Auto - Lugano Teal with Almond Leather, 20" Stormers, Shiny Tailpipes, DVD/TV - and obligatory D3 sticker
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18th Mar 2019 8:26 am
DG Site Moderator
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Red Merle wrote:
Sorry DG, my mistake. Checked it again this morning and standard access height is 740mm:
Hey come on...what's 20mm between friends? 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
18th Mar 2019 8:42 am
Russell
Member Since: 23 Aug 2007
Location: Kent
Posts: 10564
Pelyma wrote:
As Ken said the X7 does make quite a compelling case if it lives up to the hype.
However whyen you start looking BMW have issues with engines as well
The cost to get an equivalent to the D5 HSE Lux is a lot more
Towing weight is down considerably to the D5
So yes it looks like a contender in some ways but not in others and if you tow a lot close to the maximum of the D5 on a regular basis the X7 is never a contenderMY17 D5 1st Edition Namib Orange
MY15 D4 HSE Kaikoura Stone
MY12 D4 HSE Nara Bronze Sold and gone
MY11 D4 HSE Stornaway Grey Sold and gone
D3 S spec Silver Sold and gone
Tow bar, full length roof bars, side steps, tow bar storage unit, surround camers.
D4 camera club
18th Mar 2019 8:43 am
Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
Posts: 15496
I hadn’t picked up on 2.7t being the limit for towing, but I guess not many will tow beyond that with Thisbe type of vehicle even with horses. The M50 engine performance looks awesome and I guess the reliability will be an awful lot worse than LR but for some this risk might be worth taking.DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
18th Mar 2019 9:55 am
110CSW
Member Since: 19 Oct 2005
Location: Scotland
Posts: 796
Moo wrote:
So is the OP any closer in his decision?
Well took the dealer three days to call back with a price and we still have not spoken as its been several messages left both ways so don't know what the price is! Thing is if they had packaged me a great deal on the day - I was expecting a call back an hour or two later - then they might have got me. However, with the delay and the difficultly of convincing my wife why I should buy 'that ugly car' I have looked at the Volvo price list in more detail and I can get what I want from them for just over £50k after discount so that's the place to go for me. Thanks all for the help.
PS What is interesting is how much the trade price of my Euro5 D4 has fallen in the last year or so.2014MY Discovery
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