mse wrote:

What we are talking about is old products, that are expensive, that need looking after, that’s the joys of motoring. If anyone thinks this isn’t worse with other 2nd hand other brands then that’s naive and I know the consequences can be far worse...look at the pickups that chassis snapped!

RRSTDV8 wrote:

And, no, I don't believe that a new 3.0 engine costs LR remotely anywhere near the figure they charge customers.

I'm sure Ford supply additional engines very cheaply to JLR as well, now that JLR has started building it's own

Or maybe not...

mse wrote:

In short, support our guys and girls with a world class brand...don’t cry when they aren’t here, unemployment’s high and we don’t have it.

 New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)

Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)

Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)

No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control 

chalky wrote:

As suggested an extended warranty would help.

Pelyma wrote:

Did he have an extended BMW warranty?

No, he didn’t. He, like many have attempted on here, asked for a “goodwill gesture” on his 4 year old car.

Here’s a little background info for you:



BMW’s response was:

“Book it in to your dealer. If the diagnosis is a manufacturing fault, we’ll talk (whatever that means in practice!). If it’s anything else, it will be down to you - including the cost of the investigation”.

On balance, it was too high a risk, for too little benefit. He sold his dead, 4 year old 520 M Sport to a trader, specialising in “problem cars” for only £5,000.00. The trader put him in touch with an X3 owner with exactly the same failure. He’d taken BMW up on their offer and surprise, he was told that the cam chain failure was “just one of those things” and he was handed back a dismantled X3 and a bill for £1,500 for the investigation. The trader had bought his basket case X3, which the ex owner then used the proceeds of to pay the dealer’s outstanding invoice.

LR’s response to crankshaft failures seems positively angelic in comparison

Moo wrote:

mse wrote:

In short, support our guys and girls with a world class brand...don’t cry when they aren’t here, unemployment’s high and we don’t have it.

Why, LR is moving production to Slovakia. How's that helping our 'guys and girls'?

Not this post, but many have said that Slovakia happened since Brexit, was due to a bung from EU, moving jobs out of UK. ALL of them bull

I’ve been involved with Nitra plant for six years now, and I wasn’t involved in original planning. It was conceived as a need to support the JLR projection to be a 1m+ unit producer and the UK plant footprints were ‘full’, ring-fenced, or just not extendable (or, they could be but something else had to give like pressings maybe moving out, the powertrain factory not being a powertrain producer, etc. simply put you can’t get a quart into a pint-pot). You’d get more ‘bung’ building a plant in, say Wales or Northampton then going overseas, trust me, but that’s not the whole picture is it…..

Europe, at that time, made sense for various reasons; reduce (some) logistics costs, cost-of-entry to markets, part of the EU club, increase global capacity – after all no-one moaned about China, Brazil, India, Graz, etc.

However for many and varying reasons, not just impacting on JLR, the 1m+ is ‘further away’ in the timeline but you don’t just ‘stop’ the building of a new plant.

If you believe some of the press (all ‘flavours’) you’d think the D5 was spirited away overnight to Slovakia in the last couple of weeks and that the new Defender was a “I know lads, now Brexit vote (or whatever) has happened let’s just build it there instead…….”

Pelyma wrote:

You’re missing the point, LR’s warranty company doesn’t cover it as it is a design fault not a manufacturing fault. When you make something there is always going to be a percentage fail but if it is designed wrong in the first place that’s a whole new ball game.