J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
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I find it highly amusing that those that don’t like the D5, for what ever reason it may be, are concerned with its sales figures, when LR clearly aren’t, that they felt the need to push prices up further and still don’t offer massive discounts. 23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
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 22nd Jan 2018 11:47 am |
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Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
Posts: 15496
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Ahh but that's because many on here know far more about LR's business than LR. At the end of the day, if you like it then buy one, if you don't do something else. DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
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| 22nd Jan 2018 12:40 pm |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
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Regardless of wether we like it or not, it’s inevitable that they’ll be much discussion on a D3/4 forum about the D5.  2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
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| 22nd Jan 2018 12:47 pm |
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jimbg
Member Since: 19 Apr 2013
Location: UK
Posts: 478
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Yes, the forum should be renamed "Why I dislike the D5" 
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| 22nd Jan 2018 12:52 pm |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23829
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I think DG’s last post on this thread hits the nail on the head. Myself and I suspect most of us here were hoping that the D5 would be pretty much a direct replacement for the D4. For some of course it is, but for me and many others it’s not.
The problem is, there isn’t currently a new vehicle from any manufacturer that is a direct replacement for the D4.
There’s a lot of hope resting on the new Defender range. I’m resigned now to the fact that I’ll have to compromise, it will just be a case of eventually having to decide which aspects of the brilliant D4 I’m prepared to compromise on. That’s the problem of having a vehicle that is almost perfect for what I need it to do. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
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| 22nd Jan 2018 1:07 pm |
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mse
Member Since: 27 Jun 2005
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 2704
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dont underestimate too much that LR wont be listening and what might happen...the same issue is impacting the velar (a lovely car) but miss priced.
Whether all of the "demands" will be acknowledged is doubtful at best - but some are Mike
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| 22nd Jan 2018 1:18 pm |
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DG
Site Moderator
Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
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Odd  The Velar is currently achieving monthly sales on par with it's sister the Jag F Pace and is the 3rd biggest seller for LR ...not a bad achievement considering it was only released in July 16. There was a queue to sit in it in the showroom on Saturday 
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| 22nd Jan 2018 1:30 pm |
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Skynet
Member Since: 23 Jul 2014
Location: Melksham, Wiltshire
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LT wrote:I think DG’s last post on this thread hits the nail on the head. Myself and I suspect most of us here were hoping that the D5 would be pretty much a direct replacement for the D4. For some of course it is, but for me and many others it’s not.
The problem is, there isn’t currently a new vehicle from any manufacturer that is a direct replacement for the D4.
There’s a lot of hope resting on the new Defender range. I’m resigned now to the fact that I’ll have to compromise, it will just be a case of eventually having to decide which aspects of the brilliant D4 I’m prepared to compromise on. That’s the problem of having a vehicle that is almost perfect for what I need it to do.
I said it before
Freelander2/Disco Sport/Disco 5 - march of progress
D4+Defender = DC100 combination
To my mind the much loved Defender needed a Disco upgrade. D3 and D4 should have had Defender style utility versions from the beginning.... may be even from D1 era. This would have been direct competition for Toyota and Mitsi's as they entered the market. Dave
D3 2006 HSE, Cairns Blue - gone
D4 2016 SE, White
Wessex 4x4 Response
http://www.wessex4x4response.org.uk/
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| 22nd Jan 2018 2:01 pm |
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Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
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Not sure why LR need to compete with Toyota or Mitsubishi? Surely they need to produce as many cars at the highest margins as possible. Why take up line space building a £20K car that the masses say they should build when it can be a £50-£70K car or more. They aren't struggling selling cars, it is LR enthusiasts (many of whom have never bought a car from a LR dealer or had one serviced there) that have the problem.
LR need to make money and improve quality to keep them happy and its customers - simple! DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
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| 22nd Jan 2018 2:24 pm |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
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jimbg wrote:Yes, the forum should be renamed "Why I dislike the D5"
If anyone wants to hear fairly one sided and complimentary conversation about the D5, there's always Disco5.co.uk I certainly don't see any D4 owners go there to criticise the owners' opinions in the way that D4 owners / ex owners have had to get used to on here.
On this site, we have the freedom of balanced and sometimes robust debate, which will include some who were deeply disappointed by the new car and have either stayed with what they've got, or moved on to other things. Their opinions are every bit as valid as those of owners who happen to genuinely like the D5. Long may it stay that way 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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| 22nd Jan 2018 4:35 pm |
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jimbg
Member Since: 19 Apr 2013
Location: UK
Posts: 478
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Red Merle, no offence was intended to yourself and others with similar opinions.
People who have D5's can have a laugh, just as anyone on here can make fun of our choice and often do.
As you say the Disc05 forum is for serious discussion about the car and by the way there is plenty of criticism of aspects of the car over there.
IMHO.
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| 22nd Jan 2018 5:08 pm |
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fat bloke
Member Since: 07 Aug 2006
Location: OXFORD
Posts: 1257
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Dealer in Oxford never seems to busy when I'm there , sales staff are young and know nothing about the product and the rubbish they say when overhearing when they are talking to a customer you feel like butting in .
Looking at the new customers they are strangers to the product so are gullable , reliability is still the major issues when comparing to other manufacturers.
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| 22nd Jan 2018 5:19 pm |
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jimbg
Member Since: 19 Apr 2013
Location: UK
Posts: 478
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Have to say I have owned LR cars since 2006 and I have never had a major problem. Mind you that is now the kiss of death on that!
So far and it only 10 months the only problems with the D5 have been niggling problems with the infotainment system but that applies to all current JLR products.
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| 22nd Jan 2018 5:44 pm |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7441
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Same here. I only go back to summer 2011, but 3 Freelanders, 2 Discos, 1 Full Fat and around 230,000 miles later, they’ve had a handful of very minor issues and neither of the two vaguely interesting issues that I’ve had really warranted the very generous AVC’s (Assisted Vehicle Changes) that I was offered and naturally accepted! Bit their hand off actually 
They strike me as better built and more reliable than most and as long as I’ve been fair when there has been an issue, they’ve been better than any other manufacturer that I’ve dealt with before (having pretty lost count of them since 1981!). 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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| 22nd Jan 2018 7:06 pm |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
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fat bloke wrote:Dealer in Oxford never seems to busy when I'm there , sales staff are young and know nothing about the product and the rubbish they say when overhearing when they are talking to a customer you feel like butting in .
Looking at the new customers they are strangers to the product so are gullable , reliability is still the major issues when comparing to other manufacturers.
This the one in Didcot? Back when they were at Cumnor I had occasion to chat to the sales people. They knew little about the product whether back then. The technicians were little better. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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