Moo wrote:

For the past 20 years I have been working in the Medical Devices market supplying the NHS and other national healthcare services globally.

What I would like to see is a resetting of peoples expectations on what it can deliver, a broader and more open appreciation that there are other care providers that can deliver quality of services outside of the UK and more joined up thinking about the cost of healthcare and lifestyle choices. ... withdrawing core services from those that abuse the system would go a long way to help reset peoples understanding on how their behaviour impacts the NHS and themselves.

You can add into this diet for bowel disesae, alcohol abuse, drug abuse etc etc etc. We need to make people accountable and reset their expectaions on what the NHS can deliver.

Stop knocking it and support the staff running it. We are very lucky to have it.

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from me for your great contribution.
I know that we disagree on 'outsourcing' to the private, profit driven sector - but let's put that aside for a while.
What concerns me are the repercussions of a policy of refusing care for those who have (knowingly ?) visited their misfortunes upon themselves.
There seem to be but two outcomes
1) These sick, infectious and contagious untermensch are left to roam the streets, spreading disease & pestilence, until they die on some derelict land;
2) There is a resurgence of hospitals and care facilities run by religious +/ charitable organizations who will take these rejects in, and act as a type of St mother Teresa.

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J77 wrote:

DigitalJunior wrote:

As part of my job I manage A&E flow and am one of the senior managers that gets such a good deal (apparently) and therefore very knowledgable on this subject but I'm not going to comment due to the tone taken by some members towards NHS staff. Quite disappointing tbh.

Yes but it's even more disappointing when a relative is neglected by NHS staff who are paid to care. My gran was dying (they admitted they knew) yet they thought it was a good idea to send her to another hospital to learn how to make herself a f king cup of tea and toast, FFS, a dying woman, she got rushed back the same night and she slowly slipped away over the next 5 days. Another woman in my grans ward in her 80s, blind, her dinner just left lying on her table well out of reach, not one nurse bothered to help her, my mum fed her, the nurses too busy standing around planning their Friday night.

It was disgusting to see a woman who I was very close to being treated like a second class citizen. She never stole time of anyone and in her time of need the NHS failed her. A lot more errors happened but I won't go into.

There are a lot of good ones but it's difficult when a relative has received poor standards of care to look past the bad ones.