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geoff.
 


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B.A.S intelligent FBH controller fitted

One of pete,s fbh remotes fitted.

been speaking with Pete for a while and he,s asked me to test and fit one of his prototype FBH remotes to see how easy it is and to test it for him,

well it took all of about 30 mins and thats with coffee break and cutting out for where i wanted to fit it see pictures below.

the said items
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and where i wanted to fit it
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under side of battery tray top
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where i cut into the FBH loom
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all wired in and running
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the prototype you see as buttons on the outside the finished item wont it will be worked by the key fob and will have only one multi colour led.

what i liked was the fact you could open the doors and it dont cut out, it cuts out when you start the engine or after a set time which mine is 30 mins

ps pete i think you got this just right well done mate Thumbs Up

must add that for a non leccy person like me who really dont like cutting wires this was so simple to fit and i would be quite happy to help anybody fit one Thumbs Up
 

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Looking good Thumbs Up

Geoff that new battery box cover, are they bigger than the original ones? looks different Whistle

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no darrell exactly the same and only a tenner plus vat Thumbs Up

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Oh ok,

Just thought they looked slightly taller Whistle must be my hallucinations from sleep deprivation Rolling with laughter
  
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Cutting into the loom looks a little drastic, but I guess that is a prototype issue. Is the final version going to plug directly into the FBH or have a more discrete method of installation and where did the other 2 wires terminate?

Looking forward to the launch of the final version!
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Re: B.A.S intelligent FBH controller fitted

geoff. wrote:
what i liked was the fact you could open the doors and it dont cut out, it cuts out when you start the engine or after a set time which mine is 30 mins


Is this the difference between the std set up Pete does?

Oh and is it also operated by phone [like my old one was] as well as remote?
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I think this thread needs linking to the site sponsor thread to make sense:

http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic67347.html
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Thanks Robbie, questions now answered.

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To help others I've taken the liberty of posting Pete's explanations from that thread.

bellautos wrote:
Bell Auto Services is pleased to announce here first the launch of a brand new Fuel Burning Heater Controller, initially for the LR Disco 3 and RRS diesel model cars. Kit 1 will be available and in stock a couple of weeks after Billing show. Prototype viewable at Billing show.


Ideal for warming your engine on cold winter mornings while sat in the comfort of your house, removing the need to go outside and start your engine to defrost the car !

BAS has listened to customers requests and produced a product that will start your fuel burning heater without you having to physically start your engine.

The intelligent controller works by establishing communication with the FBH and reading its status, voltage, temperature and other details. It then issues the commands needed to start the heater and finally checks that the heater has started correctly.
If the heater fails to start then the controller will automatically clear old faults if necessary and attempt to restart a total of 3 times.

All versions are able to manually control fuel pump priming process of the heaters diesel pump if needed, which previously meant a visit to the Webasto dealership or your local LandRover dealership if you don’t have access to diagnostic tools yourself.


The Intelligent FBH Controller will be available in a number of versions:

• Kit1: Basic, press button to start, press button to stop, with built in RF controlled two channel hand held “plip” for remote start and stop also allowing capability to add your own GSM box.

• Features as standard, “start stop” plip, “start stop” via on box button, 3 times restart attempt after fail, FBH fuel pump prime via button on box.

• Kit2: Built in RF as above in Kit1 but with the added functionality of a GSM controller that gives a zero cost “dial to start” option. It also provides you with full integration via text message control for status reports and fault codes on demand. Still in development but can be sold as an upgrade to Kit1.

• Features, “dial to start” by GSM, “dial to stop” By GSM, Heater Status reports by SMS, Fault code number by SMS, a spare GND timed output which could be used to control a heated screen relay for example (2nd battery advised), Low battery heated screen switch off, Battery warning by SMS as well as the possibility of 4 phone numbers having access to control it. (SMS reports to only 1 of the numbers)

The controller is designed to start the FBH heater independently of the vehicle’s CAN bus system so you can lock and unlock the doors without it stopping the run process, It can also be wired if needed to switch off the heater when the ignition is turned on.


We are still working on the function list that Kit 2 will provide and any suggestions are welcome. One idea is to command the unit via text message to heat until a certain water temperature is reached, EG 85 deg C. Our tame programmer likes a challenge so tell us what you want and we will see if it can be implemented!


Pete
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Here are a few pictures of the production model kit1 installed on my wifes D3.

The module has 4 wires.
12V
GND
FBH
Antenna

The first picture is the 12V to battery and will come with a ring terminal on as you see in the picture.

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The second picture is of the GND point, i used the GND post on the inner wing and again the kit will come with a ring terminal fitted.

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The Green wire in the above picture goes to pin 2 of the FBH. It can be connected as seen in Geoffs picture if you wish to the existing red wire that is redundant and not used and is already located at pin 2 on most models up to 2006. It will also come with a loose pin2 terminal for use in the original Webasto connector if you choose this connection method or dont have the red wire fitted already.

Last but not least is a picture of where the kit1 module will fit with ease, plenty of other locations available if you wish but this is a tidy space for it under the battery cover.

The overall size of the unit is only 23mm x 54mm x 80mm so is very small and compact.

The LED you see on the case of the module is an information/operation LED and does not need to be on perminant view after install, Its a tri color LED and can show Green, Red and a mixture of the 2 giving Orange.

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As you see from the pics above and Geoffs comments the install is really simple and can be done in only a few mins with 10MM Spanner/Socket and a small flat screw driver.

Build of stock is nearly complete and i expect to be posting a thread with availability on Monday for shipping Tuesday/Wednesday. I will also have these available at the Stoneleigh Landrover Show next weekend.

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Robbie wrote:
Cutting into the loom looks a little drastic, but I guess that is a prototype issue. Is the final version going to plug directly into the FBH or have a more discrete method of installation and where did the other 2 wires terminate?

Looking forward to the launch of the final version!


Robbie

the other 2 wires are pos and neg on battery as for cutting into the loom i found that a little neater then running the green wire upto the FBH plug and have a load of spare wire showing .

as for a more discrete method of installation how discrete woukd you like it Whistle

geoff
  
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tested again this morning runs faultlessly.

30 mins running time and car temp upto normal running temp so very pleased Thumbs Up

geoff
  
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I thought the temperature had to be below 5 degrees before the FBH operates.
Does this system override that ?
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yes ron it seems to Whistle all i know Ron is it switches on when i want it to and off when told or you can leave it to run its cycle Thumbs Up

i,m sure pete can explain it much better then me Thumbs Up

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I believe the 5C limitation is only for the automatic function.

With the Danhag GSM kit I have on mine and the BAS kit you can start it without limitations
  
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think your spot on there Flydive they give you the ability to switch on when needed and also to turn off.

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