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twizzle

Member Since: 23 Feb 2006
Location: near, far where ever we are
Posts: 223

2005 Discovery 3 TDV6 S Manual Cairns Blue

mines been leaking there on and off for four years... some times it does sometimes it does not!...... no sunroof / aircon drains clear, A pillar clips replaced and other holes sealed off.......

just one of them things! i'm lovin it....

18th Jan 2011 2:48 pm

jsmythhk

Member Since: 27 Jul 2010
Location: Yvelines
Posts: 28

2013 Discovery 4 3.0 SDV6 HSE Auto Firenze Red

I have a 57 plate XS with rails and i replaced the windscreen 6 months ago, no sunroof thankfully...

I discovered lots of water in the passenger footwell today! I pulled up the carpet and it took me 10 minutes with an old towel to get all the water out, there must have been a couple of litres that i took out.

How would I check to see if the water ingress is due to the trim around the windscreen, or is it a case of pouring a bucket of water / turning the hosepipe on the windscreen and waiting for the water to soak its way down?

Or would there be visible holes / cracks that could be seen if the trim was not fitted back properly?

I will gob up the holes on the roof rails as well, just in case.....

Thanks in advnce for any help.

8th Jan 2012 8:23 pm

bbyer

Member Since: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Edmonton Alberta
Posts: 702

Front air conditioner drain tube link.

The link below is to an album in my gallery. Towards the bottom are a couple of files, one showing a jpg that I took of one of the two front heater pan drain tubes. The other file is some Land Rover material on the drains.

When these tubes let go, the wet is first primarily around the accelerator pedal and transmission tunnel sides.

I think that rain or car wash water entering thru the cowl vents can flow down thru the two tubes as well as the AC condensation water.

http://www.disco3.co.uk/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=3801 2005 LR3 HSE 4.4L AJ-V8 petrol; Traxide Dual Battery; PIAA 2500K Yellow Ion H11 Fog Light bulbs; CounterAct LT-2 Capacitive Corrosion control; LLumar AIR80 Blue clear Infra Red blocking side window film; Liftgate manual release; Schrader Valve "air in" mod to OEM air suspension reservoir tank; Akebono ceramic pads; OEM solid vented discs; LR4 design hitch receiver; Wiggs D4 MOST bluetooth module; Clock on the Dash; 3 Flash signal light mod; Backup Camera; 2015/16 Nav Data update.

8th Jan 2012 9:00 pm

jsmythhk

Member Since: 27 Jul 2010
Location: Yvelines
Posts: 28

thanks bbyer,

I have tried to get the carpet dry for the last 3 nights, but it is totally soaked, I think there must have been a heck of a lot of water under the carpet as I found that the carpet in the 'middle' (under 2nd row of seats) is also wet.

Our drive is on a slope so I park it nose facing down the hill and it all drains down in the evenings! Hair dryer will come out tomorrow night. I have some new clips for the plastic trim next to the windscreen but I am having a devil of a time trying to get the triangular bit of carpet off that is next to the radio stack to see if the air con hose has come loose.

Does anyone else know for sure if water from that runs off the windscreen drains down through the air con hose next to the radio stack inside the cab? Seems rather a dumb thing to do, but I have got rid of pints and pints of water from under that carpet so there must be a way for lots of water to get in!!

10th Jan 2012 9:26 pm

bbyer

Member Since: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Edmonton Alberta
Posts: 702

triangle carpet can be hard to remove

The triangular carpet bit should pull straight out - that is full left or right depending upon the side. I note that my one gallery picture shows a horizontal slot in the grey plastic that the clip slides into; also the removed triangular carpet piece is sitting just below the slot.

The carpet is held in with those little U shaped metal spring clips that Land Rover also uses on the dash plastic parts. Sometimes the clips stay in the slot and the plastic leg the clip attaches to releases instead; other times the clip just springs away and disappears so you have to purchase some more from Land Rover. The part number of the metal clip is FYC50040.

I would also be interested in other comments as to where cowl inlet water drains if not onto the heater pan and then down thru the two hoses. It seems to me that when I had the wet carpet problem, it was in winter snow weather rather than hot weather - hence it not AC condensation.

If you are parked in a garage, you just might put a household fan on the carpet and let is blow overnight, windows rolled down. It may take a few nights to dry out the carpet I would think. 2005 LR3 HSE 4.4L AJ-V8 petrol; Traxide Dual Battery; PIAA 2500K Yellow Ion H11 Fog Light bulbs; CounterAct LT-2 Capacitive Corrosion control; LLumar AIR80 Blue clear Infra Red blocking side window film; Liftgate manual release; Schrader Valve "air in" mod to OEM air suspension reservoir tank; Akebono ceramic pads; OEM solid vented discs; LR4 design hitch receiver; Wiggs D4 MOST bluetooth module; Clock on the Dash; 3 Flash signal light mod; Backup Camera; 2015/16 Nav Data update.

10th Jan 2012 11:22 pm

jsmythhk

Member Since: 27 Jul 2010
Location: Yvelines
Posts: 28

Thanks for that, I will try to yank the triangular carpet off tomorrow and make sure the hose is in the right place, unfortuately my garage is not big enough to the the LR inside to run the fan so I will have to get a cheapy hair dryer and run it for a couple of hours tomorrow night and see how that works. As long as I don't set the carpet on fire!

It just seems like such a fundamental flaw in the design to route such a large amount of water through the cab.

Any other suggestions about the point of water coming into the vehicle.....?!!!

11th Jan 2012 10:04 pm

IanR

Member Since: 28 Apr 2007
Location: Daleys Point
Posts: 99

2006 Discovery 3 TDV6 S Auto Chawton White

In 6 years or D3 has never had water leaks... until we had windscreen replaced.

During the next lot of wet weather water got into the passenger footwell.

I dropped down the lower glovebox to find wet around the electrics and water dripping out through the cover where the Cabin Air Filter is inserted into the ventilation system.

Looking at the windscreen I noticed that the black plastic Plenum Chamber Panel which covers the plenum chamber at bottom of screen had warped (probably from removal to install new windscreen) leaving a gap between it and the windscreen directly above the Air Inlet Duct to the ventilation system.

This allowed water to run through this gap, deflect off the back of the plenum chamber panel and straight into the air inlet duct.

I reduced the size of the inlet duct (at the front edge - where the left side is almost directly under the edge of the windscreen) with plastic and 100mph tape - this should stop water which flows through gap from entering the air inlet duct

Also I ran Butyl Mastic along the junction between the plenum chamber panel and the windscreen - filling gaps and making junction waterproof.

Think I have solved problem but haven't had any torrential rain to prove only hose which was fine 'S' TDV6, Air suspension, Terrain Response, Active rear diff, Safari Snorkel, Opposite Lock rear wheel carrier, OL drawer system, Cargo Barrier, Dual batteries with Rotronics isolator, GME 3440 UHF. Codan NGT HF, Asus UMPC running TrackRanger. Cooper LT245/70R17 STTs when off-road. Tow Ultimate off-road camper.

12th Jan 2012 10:13 am

jsmythhk

Member Since: 27 Jul 2010
Location: Yvelines
Posts: 28

Hi Ian R

Thanks for the reply, much appreciated. I have been travelling hence the reason for the lateness of this post. Can you take a pic and email to me (jsmythhk at yahoo.com)as I do not totally understand what you have written and a pic would paint a thousand words!

I have complained to the company that did the windscreen but they said "tough sh*t mate", but that just ups the game in my book and I will be taking it further.

The local LR dealer said they could replace the screen and all the plastics and charge me Â£gazillions, but I know they get an outside contractor to do the screen and don't do this in-house so I reckon this is not the way to go.

I have been trying to dry it all off with a hair dryer but its going to take a fair few weeks to dry out and I am still not sure I have stopped water coming in.......!!

17th Jan 2012 8:31 pm

evo8

Member Since: 29 Jan 2008
Location: Zalesie
Posts: 289

2013 Discovery 4 3.0 TDV6 S Auto Baltic Blue

Re: Front air conditioner drain tube link.

bbyer wrote:
The link below is to an album in my gallery. Towards the bottom are a couple of files, one showing a jpg that I took of one of the two front heater pan drain tubes. The other file is some Land Rover material on the drains.

When these tubes let go, the wet is first primarily around the accelerator pedal and transmission tunnel sides.

I think that rain or car wash water entering thru the cowl vents can flow down thru the two tubes as well as the AC condensation water.

http://www.disco3.co.uk/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=3801

thanks for this hint - after disconnecting one of the air-con drain pipes cca 0.3l came out - seems they were blocked. Hopefully after cleaning both sides the carpet will remain dry

just wondering how could so much water got there.... 2013 D4 TDV6 S; Baltic Blue; IID Tool BT
2007 D3 TDV6 SE, Auto; club Faultmate MSV2

5th May 2012 6:58 pm

HughMartin

Member Since: 30 Mar 2008
Location: Aberdeenshire
Posts: 751

2012 Discovery 4 3.0 SDV6 XS Auto Aintree Green

I had a windscreen replaced recently. The next day after a wet night, there was a puddle in the passenger footwell. I called out Autoglass who pitched up the next day and when we sprayed water on the windscreen, not a drop appeared in the footwell. I got the impression that the technician was about to say that I must have spilt water in the footwell. I dropped the glove compartment and pulled out the pollen filter to find it very wet but not saturated enough to allow water to pass through it as it had dried out since the original leak.

The technician removed the plastic panel which runs along the base of the windscreen and we could immediately see that unless there was a good seal between the windscreen and the plastic panel, water would find its way into the cabin ventilation system intake. The OEM does not require this join to be sealed with mastic to allow easy removal of the panel to access the wiper mechanism.

Some judicious use of duct tape and sealant on the ventilation intake to stop water falling into the intake and a bead of sealant under the top edge of the plastic panel where it contacts the windscreen has solved the problem.

Very poor design on LR's part.

1st Dec 2012 10:29 pm

bbyer

Member Since: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Edmonton Alberta
Posts: 702

Did not think the seal mattered.

You are saying that the cowl plastic should be sealed where the top contacts the windscreen, full width I suppose but certainly above the heater AC air intake on the passenger side.

I actually did not think that mattered as the cowl plastic as a norm, tends to buckle and warp in the heat and cold. For what it is worth, on my 3, I did seal the gap, but with black 3M electrical tape as I figure the gap was a source of wind noise.

I later determined the wind noise was from the A pillars covers. I then ran a vertical length of tape where the glass joins the plastic and rubber seal of both the A pillar covers. That got rid of the wind noise at speed.

You might also want to check the AC water drain hose on the passenger side. For what it is worth, I would have thought that the water coming in thru the cowl would hopefully drain out thru the AC drain hoses. Not so it would appear or one of the hose drains is disconnected.

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2nd Dec 2012 12:39 am

derryfrombury

Member Since: 01 Sep 2014
Location: Bury St Edmunds
Posts: 212

2005 Discovery 3 TDV6 SE Manual Buckingham Blue

thanks bbayer. any pic's Joined Aug 2014. Disco 3 SE 54plate, Buckingham Blue, Cream leather.
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16th Jan 2016 10:05 pm

derryfrombury

Member Since: 01 Sep 2014
Location: Bury St Edmunds
Posts: 212

jsmythhk wrote:
I have a 57 plate XS with rails and i replaced the windscreen 6 months ago, no sunroof thankfully...

I discovered lots of water in the passenger footwell today! I pulled up the carpet and it took me 10 minutes with an old towel to get all the water out, there must have been a couple of litres that i took out.

How would I check to see if the water ingress is due to the trim around the windscreen, or is it a case of pouring a bucket of water / turning the hosepipe on the windscreen and waiting for the water to soak its way down?

Or would there be visible holes / cracks that could be seen if the trim was not fitted back properly?

I will gob up the holes on the roof rails as well, just in case.....

Thanks in advnce for any help.

What is required to remove the N/S/F carpet, please.
Thanks Derrt Joined Aug 2014. Disco 3 SE 54plate, Buckingham Blue, Cream leather.
Defender 90 200Tdi (weekend toy)
TinTent - Coachman Pastiche 535/4
Supercharged Autobiography Grille
Tera-Firma black silicone intercooler/turbo hoses fitted Sep2014
Forum stickers, silver on rear, Orange in place of RFL disc

17th Jan 2016 1:53 pm

derryfrombury

Member Since: 01 Sep 2014
Location: Bury St Edmunds
Posts: 212

Wet Carpet (Sodden) N/S/F footwell

Any help/details/Images on removing the F/N/S carpet. So far I've removed; the 2 plastic trims at front of the seat rails, the plastic trim along the side of the outer seat rail, the bonnet release leaver and plastic trim that sits behind the leaver. but apart from being able to lift the carpet can't seen to budge it out. do I need to remove the passenger seat (I Hope Not) any assistance or images would be greatly appreciated. I have, and will take more photos as I'm doing the job, including the soruce of the leak and remedial action and post on the forum for future use.

Thanking you all in anticipation - Derry Joined Aug 2014. Disco 3 SE 54plate, Buckingham Blue, Cream leather.
Defender 90 200Tdi (weekend toy)
TinTent - Coachman Pastiche 535/4
Supercharged Autobiography Grille
Tera-Firma black silicone intercooler/turbo hoses fitted Sep2014
Forum stickers, silver on rear, Orange in place of RFL disc

17th Jan 2016 2:01 pm

derryfrombury

Member Since: 01 Sep 2014
Location: Bury St Edmunds
Posts: 212

Wet Carpet NSF footwell

Do I need to remove the passenger seat to remove the NSF carpet.

Any advice greatly received. Thanks Joined Aug 2014. Disco 3 SE 54plate, Buckingham Blue, Cream leather.
Defender 90 200Tdi (weekend toy)
TinTent - Coachman Pastiche 535/4
Supercharged Autobiography Grille
Tera-Firma black silicone intercooler/turbo hoses fitted Sep2014
Forum stickers, silver on rear, Orange in place of RFL disc

30th Jan 2016 3:05 pm