Member Since: 06 Nov 2005
Location: Athens
Posts: 21
ENGINE SYSTEM FAULT
So, here we are, first problem already, and have already done not more than 800 kilometres, when first problem came out: ENGINE SYSTEM FAULT displayed, while I am driving in the highway. I knew I would have problems buying a Land Rover, but not SO EARLY dammit! When this is displayed, the car's power is really falling down, and I feel like the gas pedal just doesn't respond. Power is much less when the System Engine Fault is displayed.But it does that randomly. Could be on the highway, or in town.After a while (about 5 secs) it goes off, but the "i" (info) letter remains on the screen. The car still doesn't drive as before the message.I have to stop and shut the engine off to remove the "i" from the display and then the car has it's power back. But then again, the same message may come up, or may not. I went twice to the service dealer, however they couldn't find the reason of this message! They just plug that useless "system engine management computer" and wait to show something, but (naturally) it doesn't show anything. They gave it to back to me meaning something like , "sorry mate, we just can't do nothing about it". Wow, very nice. The fact is that I knew I'd have problems , but I still went for it. Big mistake. And may prove a huge mistake, if we finally don't find this problem. I should have gone for the Lexus, or the Toyota Land Cruiser. Anyway, did anyone have had the same problem with the System Engine Fault displayed? Could prove helpfull. Thanks, my best wishes for a happy and healthy New Year 2006.LR3 TDV6, Base 7-seat, Alpine roof, rear locking diff.
Give them one more try at the dealers.
If they can't fix it tell them you want the car replaced, I am sure they will then look into it further and get it sorted for you.Zermatt silver 06 reg.
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1st Jan 2006 5:25 pm
jcmonier
Member Since: 11 Jul 2005
Location: 40 Kms south of Paris in Beauce
Posts: 14
Hello panosko,
I own a TDV6 HSE with automatic adaptative gearbox too.
Mine is from end of July 2005, 14000 Kms until now... and the same problem than yours.
Randomly, I got exactly the same error, with the lost of power. Sometimes, the board computer don't show anything ... but the symptoms are here.
My D3 will go on January 11th to the dealer services .... for the 3th times... without a solution. Just a suspicion about the GRV (Gaz Recirculating Valve) but nothing sure.
Now, Land Rover France is on the way and if they don't find anything I plan to start an action with the help of some specialized lawyers.
I wish you an happy new year.
Regards,
PS : excuse my english... it is not my mother's language.Jean-Christophe
Disco 3 TDV6 HSE Auto
Zambezi metalic grey / Ebony leather
1st Jan 2006 5:56 pm
panosko
Member Since: 06 Nov 2005
Location: Athens
Posts: 21
jcmonier wrote:
Hello panosko,
My D3 will go on January 11th to the dealer services .... for the 3th times... without a solution. Just a suspicion about the GRV (Gaz Recirculating Valve) but nothing sure.
If you finally find what the problem was, just let me know please. Thanks pal, and best wishes for a happy new year.
P.S.: I believe it may be the turbocharger (or part of it), but it's the last we're gonna check. I also found this link: http://landrover.haveyoursay.com/2005/07/n...t-11715018
If I had seen it before I go for the Disco, I would have avoid already this mess. Now I'm in , so gotta play the game. Returning the car back is in thought, but unknown how to do it.LR3 TDV6, Base 7-seat, Alpine roof, rear locking diff.
1st Jan 2006 6:15 pm
DG Site Moderator
Member Since: 12 Dec 2005
Location: The Gaff
Posts: 50979
Hello Panosko
I appreciate that its no fun if its happening to you but you must accept the fact that ANY machine can have a fault \s - the majority of which can be fixed - but the machine will not fix itself.
You need to re-focus your anger here - apply maximum pressure on your service dealer under the warranty of the vehicle -if they are shrugging their shoulders then get angry with them, very angry if necessary - NOT with the machine. Don't accept anything less than getting the vehicle fixed to your satisfaction - make a big pain in the ass out of yourself.
This vehicle is the best of its type - its a big shame that this error is spoiling your experience of that.21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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1st Jan 2006 9:43 pm
simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 18296
Oh and haveyoursay is run by a person who's only mission was to get an Audi Q7 ??
He deletes any entry on his site that may contradict anything he says, so basically cannot be trusted.
1st Jan 2006 10:27 pm
ricric
Member Since: 27 Nov 2005
Location: Somerset
Posts: 85
Well, now that's interesting. I have also experienced (and am still experiencing) episodic 'Engine system fault' warnings. The first of these (which I reported on the forum) came within 30 miles of my picking the car up from new.
I spoke then with the dealer but had to continue my journey. Though the 'fault' message remained I was not convinced there was any loss of power but was, advisedly, not pushing the mph.
The next day the fault message had dissappeared. A trip to the dealer and I was told there had been a fault and that a loose connection had been found going to the turbocharger - it was 'fixed'. It wasn't the end of the warnings however which continue periodically. I am quite light on the gas pedal so cannot be sure there is any loss of turbocharger power coincidental with the warnings.
I'll pop in to the dealer tomorrow and arrange a further check. In the meanwhile, has anyone any other advice and is this a problem known to LR?Zambezi Silver SE / Ebony Leather
2nd Jan 2006 5:08 am
panosko
Member Since: 06 Nov 2005
Location: Athens
Posts: 21
More about it
In the meanwhile, has anyone any other advice and is this a problem known to LR?[/quote]
I went again to the dealer , and they told me thy're going to oder a new turbocharger. The kind of the turbocharger that the LR3 has is not like the turbo cars such as Audi turbo, or Fiat, or the usual turbines most car wear. It's a kind of its own actually, working with a strange patern of "air regulation adjusting wings" and the problem may be there, inside those wings. We're gonna change that , and I'll tell you if it is finally fixed or not. Regarding power loss, it is extremelly noticeable. I was given a replacement LR3, and I was shocked how fast it goes! Well, its a really great car WHEN IT WORKS . But with all these electronic systems, I doubt for how long could this vehicle work correctly. It is also strange that no one else here in the forum hasn't fixed already that problem, as I see quite a lot having the same message displayed (Engine system fault).LR3 TDV6, Base 7-seat, Alpine roof, rear locking diff.
2nd Jan 2006 2:35 pm
angrd020
Member Since: 14 Dec 2005
Location: Branford
Posts: 148
Engine System Fault
I too had the "Engine System Fault" error. This happened only once when I was driving through a pile of snow that was quite deep at over 50MPH! I tend to think of my D3 as a large computer server on wheels and address any electronic issues as such. When this happened I drove off the side of the road and gave it the obligatory restart which cleared up the fault. I then drove home and cylced thought all of the system functions(EX. suspension high-low) and all terrain settings. I also went thought the menu settings to be sure that all was well. I then checked and tightened or wiggled any connectors that I could get at and grab. I then took the vehicle to the carwash and gave it a spash down in an attempt to eliminate any grit or dirty debris that may be resting on any sensors. No problems since. I must say that I had to route some of the electrical cables in the engine compartment the same week that I purchased the D3. The cables I reouted had tabs that were supposed to be attached to the fan shroud, but were not. I also reseated any connectors that I felt were vulnerable to being pulled. Working with computers has taught me that some of the errors I see in computer systems are not neccessarily a physical component failure, but a misread stream of data or oxidized data connector. I feel that this may cause it's fair share of issues with this vehicle. One big factor in my analysis is that engine power is lost when the message comes up and seems to get better with a restart. If the problem where purely mechanical, it should persist with or without a restart. I hope that this sheds a little light on approaching any possible error message related issues with the D3. Anyone with differing opinions are most welcome in order to aid our fellow D3 driver.
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2nd Jan 2006 5:43 pm
BrianX
Member Since: 11 Dec 2005
Location: Bolton UK - it may be 'grim up north' but at least you get gravy on yer' chips.
Posts: 217
From lookng at other similar threads on the forum, I would suggest you check that any electrical connectors under the bonnet are clipped together properly. Mine has the occasional complete loss of power, which seems due to the same fault. I'll wait for the first service to get it sorted as I can't afford to be without the car for a day while somebody just resets a plug!'
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2nd Jan 2006 5:51 pm
10forcash
Member Since: 09 Jun 2005
Location: Ubique
Posts: 16534
Just a bit of advice...
If you're going to unplug any vehicle connectors, make sure you disconnect the battery first, otherwise the vehicle will register loads of 'faults'
The procedure is:-
Remove the key, close all doors, including the tailgate - although you'll need the bonnet (hood) open - don't lock the vehicle though.
Wait a minimum of 2 minutes, then check through the window that the park brake warning light, NAV screen & clock display are all off.
Remove the -ve terminal first, making sure that it can't spring back to the battery, then remove the +ve terminal.
do whatever you need / want to do
Replace the +ve terminal, ensuring it is properly seated and cannot be moved once re-torqued
Refit the -ve terminal, ensuring as far as possible that it makes good contact first time, you may get a small 'arc' as the terminal contacts the battery, nothing to worry about, it's just the vehicle 'waking up'. if it's a good flash and the insulation turns to liquid plastic..... use a tool - not your hands - and remove the -ve terminal as fast as you can, for something is badly wrong
2nd Jan 2006 5:53 pm
10forcash
Member Since: 09 Jun 2005
Location: Ubique
Posts: 16534
Brianx, you may want to refer your dealer to TSB LA414-001
This refers to loose connections in the battery junction box
" A customer may report a concern of various warning lamps being displayed on the instrument pack, or inoperative electrical circuits and diagnosis indicates to a power supply problem"
It may also be worth checking the battery terminal posts to ensure that the protective coating has been removed prior to fitting
Hmm of the many things i have ranted about this has never been one but.....i do have three pedals and a stick thing with six forward choices ( reverse and ratios excepted) by my left hand.My dealer has found out ( they are getting better) that there a small "chip" in the auto box that not only remembers driving " style" but will also replicate faults. The had a senior LR bod down after one guy cooked two gearboxes and a bit of re-mapping later and all is well:shock: Alive and kicking..who's round is it anyway ??
2nd Jan 2006 11:50 pm
ricric
Member Since: 27 Nov 2005
Location: Somerset
Posts: 85
Hmm, well my disco is at the dealers now. intermittent 'Engine system fault' apparently equates to a turbo problem so now awaiting a new turbo to be fitted.Zambezi Silver SE / Ebony Leather
5th Jan 2006 6:35 pm
minicabelemet
Member Since: 28 Oct 2005
Location: Kingston-upon-Thames, Surrey
Posts: 85
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I have the same problem with my auto diesel. It keeps loosing the power and my mpg is very very low. Just drove 2000 miles to Austria and back and got about 20mpg. A dealer in Innsbruck diagnosed that the turbo is kaput and this is the reason for low mpg. The car is booked for a new turbo in 2 weeks time. Does anybody else with turbo problems has a low mpg?
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I tend to think of my D3 as a large computer server on wheels and address any electronic issues as such. When this happened I drove off the side of the road and gave it the obligatory restart which cleared up the fault. I then drove home and cylced thought all of the system functions(EX. suspension high-low) and all terrain settings. I also went thought the menu settings to be sure that all was well. I then checked and tightened or wiggled any connectors that I could get at and grab. I then took the vehicle to the carwash and gave it a spash down in an attempt to eliminate any grit or dirty debris that may be resting on any sensors. No problems since. I must say that I had to route some of the electrical cables in the engine compartment the same week that I purchased the D3. The cables I reouted had tabs that were supposed to be attached to the fan shroud, but were not. I also reseated any connectors that I felt were vulnerable to being pulled. Working with computers has taught me that some of the errors I see in computer systems are not neccessarily a physical component failure, but a misread stream of data or oxidized data connector. I feel that this may cause it's fair share of issues with this vehicle. One big factor in my analysis is that engine power is lost when the message comes up and seems to get better with a restart. If the problem where purely mechanical, it should persist with or without a restart. I hope that this sheds a little light on approaching any possible error message related issues with the D3. Anyone with differing opinions are most welcome in order to aid our fellow D3 driver.
