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^ A colleague has an eNiro and DS. I drove the eNiro the other day, it handled much better than I thought it would. I guess partly due to the low centre of gravity.
I liked it, despite the odd mix of low rent and luxury interior trimming. More importantly the lease deal is cracking vfm. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
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11th Jan 2021 12:42 pm
mse
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The Discovery 3/4/5 and the RRS are (supposedly) the comparable cars - one with more seats and load space (D5) and the other tourer and cruising (RRS) - i think that's the comparator - the disco was always just behind the RR...remember when the running gear was the same. That said i never and still dont like the D3
The defender isnt as nice as the D5 - it might be similar D3/4, but i dont see them as comparable, its nice, but its the iteration of the original defender just jumping forward. I think they nailed an iteration of the defender still like the concept though (which is funny)
The d5 is great it is a discovery - but JLR missed a few tricks and im not sure why, i could even live with less square for a couple of tweaks.
At the end of the day we should all want JLR to do well and sell cars.Mike
11th Jan 2021 2:07 pm
RRSTDV8
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SN wrote:
I actually think the Velar does have a good place in the RR line up between the Evoque and the Sport as a stepping stone bridge up the RR aspirational ladder.
The Velar gets well in to RRS territory in terms of price so I'm not sure it's an aspirational stepping stone. If someone can afford a Velar then they can probably afford a RRS. More likely is the Velar is more like a tall 4wd estate car rather than an 4x4/SUV in some eyes. I'd love to know why people choose one over the other.Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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11th Jan 2021 2:46 pm
RRSTDV8
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mse wrote:
The Discovery 3/4/5 and the RRS are (supposedly) the comparable cars - one with more seats and load space (D5) and the other tourer and cruising (RRS) - i think that's the comparator - the disco was always just behind the RR...remember when the running gear was the same. That said i never and still dont like the D3
The RRS isn't in the same line up as the D5, nor was it previously even though it shared so much with the D3 originally. The RRS was always supposed to be a sporty Range Rover, not a sporty Discovery. It would have been called Discovery Sport if that was the case, after all . The L494 is certainly a lot closer to the L405 FFRR than the D5 these days, that's for sure, and handles being thrown down a road much better than either of them.
But it's interesting how these positions in the line up blur across the range and people's ideas. Which makes one wonder whether LR haven't got their line up (or the marketing of it) quite right.Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
11th Jan 2021 3:02 pm
LT
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RRSTDV8 wrote:
SN wrote:
I actually think the Velar does have a good place in the RR line up between the Evoque and the Sport as a stepping stone bridge up the RR aspirational ladder.
The Velar gets well in to RRS territory in terms of price so I'm not sure it's an aspirational stepping stone. If someone can afford a Velar then they can probably afford a RRS. More likely is the Velar is more like a tall 4wd estate car rather than an 4x4/SUV in some eyes. I'd love to know why people choose one over the other.
I know a Velar owner, he bought one of the first available with a spec/colour that he found acceptable although it’s a diesel and he would have preferred a petrol.
Cost and aspirations had nothing to do with, he’s very wealthy, owns a McLaren as a fun car and has a two or three other cars as well, inc a load lugging Japanese 4X4.
He wanted the Velar as a comfy, well appointed, long distance cruiser. With the ability to carry a reasonable amount of luggage for two people and the few bits and pieces he might have when visiting other homes. Plus he wanted the reassurance of AWD.
The competition was Audi or Volvo AWD estates, not another LR model. He preferred the seating position in the Velar.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
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11th Jan 2021 3:33 pm
RRSTDV8
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LT - as I said, the Velar is more akin to an AWD estate car.
I quite like the Velar, I like the look of it, mostly, and I liked the interior and seating position when I briefly drove one in Spain. It doesn't give the same "command" position of the full size LR products. Nor does it have the go anywhere, tow anything ability. But it's an excellent vehicle for someone who wants a long distance cruiser with space inside and enough ability to get around in bad conditions as your friend does. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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11th Jan 2021 5:25 pm
mse
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RRSTDV8 wrote:
mse wrote:
The Discovery 3/4/5 and the RRS are (supposedly) the comparable cars - one with more seats and load space (D5) and the other tourer and cruising (RRS) - i think that's the comparator - the disco was always just behind the RR...remember when the running gear was the same. That said i never and still dont like the D3
The RRS isn't in the same line up as the D5, nor was it previously even though it shared so much with the D3 originally. The RRS was always supposed to be a sporty Range Rover, not a sporty Discovery. It would have been called Discovery Sport if that was the case, after all . The L494 is certainly a lot closer to the L405 FFRR than the D5 these days, that's for sure, and handles being thrown down a road much better than either of them.
But it's interesting how these positions in the line up blur across the range and people's ideas. Which makes one wonder whether LR haven't got their line up (or the marketing of it) quite right.
I dont agree - its not about the families (as they lined them up now) the RRS and Discovery were comparable Range Rover and Land Rover as it was then.
The changed direction from clear LR and RR then into these groups under the LR badge, RR/Discovery/Defender
You notice the difference between the RRE and DS - similar price the interior is very different with the rre feeling "more"
Defining the improved on road of the sport v the d5 is exactly the point, D5 has features the sport doesnt and vice versa
The discovery sport was about creating the family groups and moving the freelander into it
The other point is towing, only the RR, RRS, D5 and Defender will pull 3.5t the rest have different capacities
The velar is a bigger evoque essentially - but not the full deal of the RRS - i think its an odd one, i like it but not sure why they bothered with itMike
11th Jan 2021 5:30 pm
J77
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The Velar is an excellent long distance GT type car with great all terrain ability, reasonably spacious, it’s RWD biased it handles twisty back roads brilliantly.
RR Sport or RR Velar, it’s the Velar for me everytime.
I was almost tempted to cancel the Defender and take another Velar, thought about the PHEV.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
11th Jan 2021 5:33 pm
LT
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RRSTDV8 wrote:
LT - as I said, the Velar is more akin to an AWD estate car.
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Hence my post in agreement with you.
He wanted an AWD estate car, he could buy any or indeed every LR model if he chose to.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
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11th Jan 2021 6:31 pm
LT
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J77 wrote:
The Velar is an excellent long distance GT type car with great all terrain ability, reasonably spacious, it’s RWD biased it handles twisty back roads brilliantly.
RR Sport or RR Velar, it’s the Velar for me everytime.
I was almost tempted to cancel the Defender and take another Velar, thought about the PHEV.
The RRS would be for those who want better 4WD ability, a little more space and a higher vehicle.
IMO, only the new Defender and FFRR offer a similar "Command Driving Position" to that of the old D3/4. In the other models, inc. the D5, you sit lower down in the vehicle with the centre console noticeably higher and they have a high waistline and smaller glass area. It was very noticeable when getting out of the D5 after 7 months and back into FFRR.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
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11th Jan 2021 6:37 pm
al cope
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As an awful lot of this thread seems to be knock the D5, shouldnt we have some balance here:
The way the FFRR looks with its number plate in the middle, looks like every other 4x4 out there, and dont get me started on the front - is it RRS, a Velar, what?? I wouldnt want to pay the big bucks and then folks not know what LR I had brought. And its a long as a D5 but you cant seat 7 in it - whats that about?
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12th Jan 2021 8:27 am
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Ying and yang, the balance in the force is restored.
Now let’s get back to “discussing” the D5!
12th Jan 2021 8:33 am
RRSTDV8
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LT wrote:
RRSTDV8 wrote:
LT - as I said, the Velar is more akin to an AWD estate car.
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Hence my post in agreement with you.
He wanted an AWD estate car, he could buy any or indeed every LR model if he chose to.
We agree with each other? That'll never catch on in here! Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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12th Jan 2021 8:37 am
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Agreement and balance in the same thread? That’ll never catch on.
12th Jan 2021 8:50 am
RRSTDV8
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I think I just heard Martin faint. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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. The L494 is certainly a lot closer to the L405 FFRR than the D5 these days, that's for sure, and handles being thrown down a road much better than either of them.
