One of the good points of SUV designs is the brake lights are a bit higher than most cars , so are more easily seen in traffic.
Unless it's a Kia , where they decided to mount them low in the bumper
Still looks better than D5 r-send though..
Dean
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2011 D4 XS - OBD port protection, RLD spare wheel protector, All LED interiors lights, Timed Climate enabled, iiD tool paired.
2011 D4 Landmark - Stolen from same dealer before I paid for it
2011 D4 GS - Stolen whilst at dealer ... All LED interiors lights, DRLs, Spare Wheel protector.
1996 300Tdi - Eaten by tin worms
24th Jun 2020 8:41 am
latnutgub
Member Since: 25 Aug 2011
Location: Huddersfield
Posts: 170
I tried to like the D5, up to now I have had 3 x D3 and one D4. The one thing I wanted was reliability as well as looking good. The D5 does not look good enough for its asking price. The new defender maybe is the way to go. Range rover is too big. In the end it is a consumer product and is subject to consumer current tastes.
24th Jun 2020 10:24 am
J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
Posts: 6272
2021 Hyundai Santa Fe looks good, the grills a bit in your face but overall looks a nice car.
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23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
24th Jun 2020 2:10 pm
Moo D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 14482
I like that. D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!) Sold
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
24th Jun 2020 2:30 pm
ronp
Member Since: 29 Nov 2006
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 15272
Oh dear!
Can't be doing with all these overpressed body panels and the overstyling that accompanies it.
As for the interior, fine in a big car, but not in a 4x4.
And, it's not a Land Rover!
But it's probably just me .... stuck in a time warp and still idolising the D3/D4 shape.
...... always on the road less travelled 🚧
< ‘tis but a mere scratch …….. it’ll polish out.
there's a lot of added strength/rigidity in those creases ... but I know what you mean.
24th Jun 2020 3:30 pm
Moo D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 14482
As an urban 4x4 I think it looks good and fits the market well. Sadly this space that the D5 and DS now compete in is very crowded with lots of good cars. Having the off road capability the D3/4/5 has is more than most people want or need.
Having a 7 year warranty on a car is a big attraction for many, as is also avoiding LR dealers and LRCS. I can see the Santa Fe doing well.D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!) Sold
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
24th Jun 2020 3:36 pm
Russell
Member Since: 23 Aug 2007
Location: Kent
Posts: 10564
J77 wrote:
2021 Hyundai Santa Fe looks good, the grills a bit in your face but overall looks a nice car.
What have they done to the wheel archesMY17 D5 1st Edition Namib Orange
MY15 D4 HSE Kaikoura Stone
MY12 D4 HSE Nara Bronze Sold and gone
MY11 D4 HSE Stornaway Grey Sold and gone
D3 S spec Silver Sold and gone
Tow bar, full length roof bars, side steps, tow bar storage unit, surround camers.
D4 camera club
24th Jun 2020 7:52 pm
kajtzu
Member Since: 10 Aug 2017
Location: Helsinki
Posts: 6769
On the other side of the pond Kia gets a pretty good rating on their quality while Tesla (as the title says) is a disaster.
Yes, it seems like someone manages to make worse quality cars than JLR. Not by much, however, but still.
Member Since: 03 May 2016
Location: Kent
Posts: 1682
So many US companies above European and Japanese companies. Is there a ‘not made here’ factor? Or is it just that the support in US is poor for non domestic?
CheersGary
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25th Jun 2020 10:30 am
RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
Posts: 13606
I think a lot of "foreign" cars are actually built in the US. Certainly BMW have a very large factory over there.Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
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25th Jun 2020 10:48 am
waterbuoy
Member Since: 26 Oct 2013
Location: Argyll
Posts: 2929
It isn't just cars - eg most Stihl chainsaws are made in Germany but for the US market they are made over there (and considered by many to be inferior quality as a result)Currently 2009 Disco 3 SE, 2013 MY D4 HSE and 2016 D4 SE
Previously:
TD5 Defender 110 CSW (230k miles)
300TDi Disco 1 (289k)
4 RR Classics (300-350k each, 2 manual, 2 auto)
110 V8 CSW (220k)
S3 109 hi cap pickup (ex RN)
S2A 88 Safari SW with lpg conversion (bloody lethal)
25th Jun 2020 11:04 am
fat bloke
Member Since: 07 Aug 2006
Location: OXFORD
Posts: 1258
Russell wrote:
J77 wrote:
2021 Hyundai Santa Fe looks good, the grills a bit in your face but overall looks a nice car.
What have they done to the wheel arches
Saves the wheel arches being damaged by inconsiderate parkers etc , so have creased them inwards to save future damage ?
25th Jun 2020 3:41 pm
J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
Posts: 6272
Russell wrote:
J77 wrote:
2021 Hyundai Santa Fe looks good, the grills a bit in your face but overall looks a nice car.
What have they done to the wheel arches
Can’t have a normal rear number plate and normal wheel arches, that’s just greed.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
25th Jun 2020 6:49 pm
Gary_P
Member Since: 03 May 2016
Location: Kent
Posts: 1682
Maybe it's a "Not INVENTED here" factor then?Gary
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.... stuck in a time warp and still idolising the D3/D4 shape.
