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Just looked out to my front garden and there are a load of mountains.....
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I actually was talking about "repeat offenders" as I mention before
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31st Jul 2016 9:12 am
comedyharvey
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In perspective this is not the middle class boarding school many on here are likening it to but a school with a high proportion of failing kids from difficult backgrounds and they seem to be at least trying,
From the Guardian;
Birbalsingh (Headmistress) was unrepentant, arguing that her school demanded personal responsibility from pupils and parents.
“They come to us with a reading age of five or six. By the time they have finished year eight with us they have caught up to other 12- and 13-year-olds in their reading ages. As opposed to the rest of the country, where 20% of children leave school illiterate. At our school, nobody is leaving illiterate.
“We do that by holding children and families responsible and by believing in personal responsibility,” she said.
and about lunch isolation;
According to a teacher from another school who visited Michaela, the isolation entails pupils eating a packed lunch in a separate room while doing school work supervised by a teacher.
“It was three or four kids sat in a classroom chatting with their teacher over a sandwich. No one seemed upset and all were looking forward to getting back to family lunch,” the teacher said.
Hardly a traumatic experience
“We as headteachers ought to tell parents when they are not doing their jobs as parents – when they are letting their children down. We have a duty to the children we teach to ensure that they can leave school literate and numerate.
“Some families don’t want this for their own children, and the liberals who complain about schools holding these families to account are the problem.
“It’s white, middle-class liberal guilt. They are not actually interested in educating these children. They just want to make themselves feel better about their own privilege.”
Maybe we should be caning some of the bleating, liberal, middle class.
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31st Jul 2016 12:13 pm
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It seems to me that the overwhelming view from education professionals is that it is inappropriate
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Hardly a traumatic experience
If not and no one is upset then it's hardly a presenting a pressure for the parents to pay at all
Anyway have a read of Barrys Blog https://hackingattheroots.wordpress.com/ sounds like the school is in North Korea to me 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
31st Jul 2016 3:49 pm
comedyharvey
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Educational professionals?, these are the ones that see 20% of kids leaving school illiterate? Give me a break.
DG, just take the caning like the rest of the liberal middle class.Arthur.
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31st Jul 2016 6:59 pm
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The fact that 20% are illiterate is irrelevant ... the debate is should the child be punished for their parents failings
I'm right wing on matters of enforcing rules, discipline, police, law and order ....but on the guilty party 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
31st Jul 2016 7:45 pm
comedyharvey
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If their 'achievements' are irrelevant why mention Education Professionals in the first place? I merely point out that their opinions, like some of the results they achieve, are often worthless.
This is just a lot of hot, woolly minded, liberal bleating over nothing. If this is the worst thing these kids experience at school then they're bloody lucky.Arthur.
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31st Jul 2016 8:05 pm
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DG wrote:
The fact that 20% are illiterate is irrelevant ... the debate is should the child be punished for their parents failings
I'm right wing on matters of enforcing rules, discipline, police, law and order ....but on the guilty party
Maybe get the parents come in on their day off and sit in detention instead.
If you don't like the style of a school; send your kids to a different one.“There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely gamesâ€
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armalites wrote:
Just looked out to my front and there are a load of mountains.....
Sorry just checked again they are mole hills.
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Has no one heard of pester power? Put little Johhnie into solitary confinement with a healthy sandwich and a piece of fruit, and the parents wouldn't dare not to pay the bill.
To channel the thoughts of armalites, is that a storm I see out there. Erm, hang about, is that a teacup I see enclosing it.
Would my parents have ever put me in that position? No!
If they had done, would I have let them forget it? No!
Would I have been mentally scarred by the experience? Hell (heck) no, or whatever Ed Millibob would have said.An ex-Disco3 / FFRR owner ......
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31st Jul 2016 11:00 pm
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So you are confirming it's pointless then...what a waste of everyone's time 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
31st Jul 2016 11:09 pm
comedyharvey
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So why start the thread then?Arthur.
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31st Jul 2016 11:32 pm
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Because contrary to the beliefs of the 'ultras' here, detention is seen as a punishment, a deprivation, a denial and as the child is not responsible for the action which has led to it then to many normal people that is worth highlighting 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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