Member Since: 20 Feb 2013
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After my brother did the this thing this year in an old Nissan Pickup, I am in with our Discovery!!!
Provisional starting number 68.
The Netherland to the top of Norway and back, 8 days, 7000km, minus 40 degrees... lets go.
Now I´ll be starting preparing my Discovery. Can’t wait till its 7th of januari 2017.
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Member Since: 20 Feb 2013
Location: Brabant
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Thanks.
Ordered a winch and the A-bar yesterday.
In the Netherlands, Germany and Denmark it’s prohibited to use studded tires.
Got hold on some black original LR six-spoke-alloys for them. (Pictures will follow)
So now I am looking for a roof-rack to carry the spare wheels.
19th Jan 2016 4:46 am
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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Ask the Nordic peeps on here re studded vs non studded tyres, ISTR studded is not an a must as long as the non studded ones are up to the job. I can't remember who was talking about it though.
19th Jan 2016 8:58 am
Pinin01
Member Since: 20 Feb 2013
Location: Brabant
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Pinin01 wrote:
Thanks.
Ordered a winch and the A-bar yesterday.
In the Netherlands, Germany and Denmark it’s prohibited to use studded tires.
Got hold on some black original LR six-spoke-alloys for them. (Pictures will follow)
So now I am looking for a roof-rack to carry the spare wheels.
Sounds like an interesting expedition which the Land Rover is very capable of completing.
Recommend ideally scandinavian specification winter tyres. Hakkepelittaa SUV 7 are very good but expensive. The tyres should definetely be studded. A good compromise might be europen wintertyres fitted with studs. Open block high dispersal patterns also help
Remember there are many different typs of snow and cold weather conditions and in my experience at least there could be one that catches you out.
In addition it would be advisable to carry a set of snow chains such as RUD. These are not for constant use but sometimes needed to tackle challenging conditions of ice and snow or ice and slush-water. I believe there may be legal requirements to carry these in certain countries anyway. Carry gloves and a head torch for when you need to fit the chains! There will not be a great deal of daylight up north in January.
Carry at least 2 jerry cans spare fuel (filled in the cold country to get the cold condition anti waxing formula) and a funnel or spout.
In extreme cold conditions it may be neccessary to start the engine at intervals and let it warm up fully. This means broken sleep but peace of mind.Willys Jeeps
Volvo Laplanders 4X4
Volvo Bandvagn Tracks
M109 Howitzers Tracks
REO and Oshkosh M35 - M6 series 6X6 Trucks
Dodge 3/4 Ton 4X4
All gone but stored in good memories
LR Defender 110 also gone but not a bad memory
LR D3 XS snow and ice
This morning in Norway, there are reports of many crashes, one mass collision with 8 cars involved and at least one fatality, see pictures in this report.
The condition that have caused these accidents is known as undercooled rain freezing to ice.
Air temperature is above zero but ground temperature is sub-zero. This is not a static condition but one that is constantly shifting and can manifest itself unseen and without warning. Any rain that falls on sub-zero ground is immediately converted to ice, possibly with a thin layer of water on top. This is lethal. In the UK this is sometimes called black ice.
The answer to this is two fold: Careful and anticipatory driving, combined with studded winter tyres with plenty of thread left to cope with marginal friction and surface water. Any bends in the road or ascent/descent is likely to make the situation worse.
In a long coastal region like most of Norway these conditions can occur frequently, be warned!
One aspect of the studded/non-studded debate is that it has been shown that for non-studded tyres to provide satisfactory road grip, it is neccessary for a portion of road users having studded tyres that roughen up the icy surface sufficiently to make non-studded tyres work.
Of course even with the best tyres available there will sometimes occur conditions that catch us out. I have encountered snow that defied such tyres and nothing happened when I needed to brake. Fortunately, due to slow speed, my car eventually stopped just short of the vehicle in front but it was a close run thing!Willys Jeeps
Volvo Laplanders 4X4
Volvo Bandvagn Tracks
M109 Howitzers Tracks
REO and Oshkosh M35 - M6 series 6X6 Trucks
Dodge 3/4 Ton 4X4
All gone but stored in good memories
LR Defender 110 also gone but not a bad memory
LR D3 XS snow and ice
25th Jan 2016 10:54 am
Pinin01
Member Since: 20 Feb 2013
Location: Brabant
Posts: 67
Thanks for the tips.
Running on ice is always tricky.
Especially on a road with undercooled rain, you can't see it but it's real slippery.
But when on the road there is always the risk of an accident.
I have a year to prepare the Discovery and ourselfs as good as possible.
That's all I can do, and I’m looking forward to this new adventure.
I'll keep you all posted.
25th Jan 2016 11:31 am
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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SnowRover wrote:
One aspect of the studded/non-studded debate is that it has been shown that for non-studded tyres to provide satisfactory road grip, it is neccessary for a portion of road users having studded tyres that roughen up the icy surface sufficiently to make non-studded tyres work.
I have a year to prepare the Discovery and ourselfs as good as possible.
That's all I can do, and I’m looking forward to this new adventure.
I'll keep you all posted.
I do not want to discourage you!
But awareness of what you might meet will allow you to prepare and take the appropriate
precautions in both equiment and driving technique.
Here is to a successful expedition for all of you!
What tyres are you planning to use?Willys Jeeps
Volvo Laplanders 4X4
Volvo Bandvagn Tracks
M109 Howitzers Tracks
REO and Oshkosh M35 - M6 series 6X6 Trucks
Dodge 3/4 Ton 4X4
All gone but stored in good memories
LR Defender 110 also gone but not a bad memory
LR D3 XS snow and ice
25th Jan 2016 1:29 pm
Pinin01
Member Since: 20 Feb 2013
Location: Brabant
Posts: 67
Don't worry you're not discouraging me. In fact I appreciate your effort to give me tips. The more tips I get the better I'll be prepared.
At this moment I am going for the Nokian Hakkapeliitta 8 SUV but I am still searching for the best option. Studded Tires are very difficult to get in the Netherlands
25th Jan 2016 2:49 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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Could you find a tyre dealer in Malmo (or wherever you enter Sweden) that can swap your standard winters on the rims for studded ones, keep the old tyres for you till you return that way, then swap them back at the end? Means you're not carrying a useless set of tyres on the roof for the duration.
Just a thought.
25th Jan 2016 3:07 pm
Healey
Member Since: 26 Aug 2014
Location: Gotland
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Hi! This trip sounds like great fun.
As for the tyres you have chosen. The Hakkapelita 8 is the best winter tyre I have ever owned.
Superb grip on slush, lose snow and ice. Works great on the Disco. They have a very soft compound so they are grippy in very low temperatures.
DSL beat me to the idea of fitting them once over the Swedish border.
Regarding fuel do not by fuel in Northern Germany or Denmark. This winter diesels have had a lot of problems in cold weather as there has been to much bio fuel mixed into the diesel( even in northern Sweden). The bio fuel waxes at a much higher temperature. A recent article in a swedish motor magazine mentioned problems swedish drivers have had when driving to the alps and experincing low temperatures with fuel from denmark or northern germany. Swedish fuel suppliers have lowered or removed the bio fuel mix as of this January in respons to complaints. By the fuel as far north as possible.
If you are overnighting during the race, will electricity be provided at the parking? If so maybe an electrical heater might be considered to keep the engine warm when parked.
Just a few suggestions. God luck!2008 Java Black D3. 2.7TDV6 HSE.
Series III Mud Flaps
18" Nokian Hakkapelita 8 winter tyres
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25th Jan 2016 3:36 pm
Pinin01
Member Since: 20 Feb 2013
Location: Brabant
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That is an option when you know what route you'll be taking.
We will be driving 9 days, not knowing what the route will have to take. It is possible we will cross Sweden, maybe we won't. The only thing we know is that we will be visiting the Lofoten. The route is an navigational adventure, driving on coordination's.
I rather pay a bit more and be prepared. This way I'll be having the both studded and not studded tires and not being dependant on some tire-guy in the middle off the night. I'll will mount a roof-rack in order to carry the spare wheels. A wheel-swap is easier than a tyre swap at -20
25th Jan 2016 3:48 pm
hugeviking
Member Since: 08 Jun 2010
Location: cotswolds
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Healey, sorry to be pedantic , but do you mean the bio fuel waxes at a higher temperature.
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