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Did you get the problem sorted?... What was it?If it ain't broke... Take it apart anyway, how else you gonna find out how it works
3rd Aug 2014 6:46 am
bsm
Member Since: 14 May 2012
Location: Ellikom
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Don't worry, I'll continue the story, but at the moment I can't do anything because the Disco isn't in Belgium yet....
I bought a new brake switch and I'm waiting for the Disco to come home.
I'll install the switch and try to find the IIDTool live data from the fuel rail what M3DPO suggested.2017-...: Disco II Td5 auto, 1999, BAS remap, HD TC and auto box Ashcroft, Allisport IC, ACE, 2" lift only coils, BF goodrich KM2 265/70R17, FF front and rear bumper, TF steering guard and tree sliders, nanocom.
2013-2017: Disco 3 TDV6 HSE aut. of 2008, Britpart treesliders, IIDTool, RLD sump guard, BFG KM2 265/70R17, adj. rods, BAS remap + EGRs blanked, silicon IC hoses.
2010-2013: Disco II Td5 of 2000, ACE, front Bearmach HD coils, rear SLS, GG AT2
3rd Aug 2014 7:06 pm
M3DPO
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It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't.
3rd Aug 2014 9:17 pm
bsm
Member Since: 14 May 2012
Location: Ellikom
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Ok, the Disco came back home this afternoon. Got a phonecall from the truck driver telling me he has a big truck and wasn't allowed to drive in the small street I'm living in. What he should do? I said no problem, I'll walk to the main road to come and get the Disco, it drives, at least for 1km. Done that and the all went well.
Unpacked all the luggage and took off 3 of the 4 bikes on the bike rack. I left mine on to get me home in case I would be doing some tests and the Disco would stop moving...
So I did some trials with bizar results:
I started to replace the brake switch, the old one had already a 'FOMOCO' print, so maybe it was replaced before, I don't know. During the replacement of the switch I also disconnected the battery and after I cleared all the errors, I wanted to start from scratch.
After the reset I checked the high pressure fuel rail live data: no revving: around 28000kPa, 1900rpm 40000kPa, 3000rpm 55000kPa -> are those values normal?
After this test and with the new switch I took her for a test drive and I couldn't even make it to the end of the street (1km). It was the shortest distance I had to drive to get an error in the last 3 weeks. And the error was little different: HDC not available. Then also transmission fault and suspension lowered. Ignition off and back on gave back transmission fault. Again off and wait for a minute, then back on no more errors. Start and drove back home, before I got home, same HDC error again. Disappointed I left the car on the driveway, kids were coming home ...
Called my garage with the news I'll bring the Disco in tomorrow because it gets worse. I asked them if I should keep the bike rack on, if it could be related to any of my problems. He said no, take the bike rack off I don't need it for testing. It cannot be related, there is no programming what needs to be done on the D3 you have, newer versions have to be programmed but the one you have shoudn't. I can add I installed the removable towbar and electronics myself because I bought the Disco without. I can also add that I've had an engine system fault when I was towing a little trailer and once with the bike rack on, so for this reason I asked them if the rack could be related to the errors.
Later on the evening I took the bike rack off and the removable towbar to close up the rear bumper. I was thinking of placing the old brake switch back because I hadn't seen such bad results before. Before I was going to put the old switch back. I couldn't resist to go for another test drive. Coming at the end of the street without a problem I decided to go for it and drove into the direction of our town. Disco seems to run fine, no difference in behaviour and no errors. Ok, from our town to the next town .... no problems. Continued the tour and back home I had 25km's without any problem.
So what do you suggest? Put the towbar back and the bike rack on for another test. That's what I thought, so I did. Towbar back and rack back on. Towbar without the securing piece I made and bike rack without bikes. Ok made the same tour of 25km's, no problems.
So what now? Don't try to convince me it makes any difference with or without a bike on the rack or that the securing piece would make any difference.
I think I'll drive to the garage tomorrow and let them do some tests (without bike rack?) I have a replacement car from the insurance company until the beginning of next week so this is the best moment for me to do the Disco to the garage.2017-...: Disco II Td5 auto, 1999, BAS remap, HD TC and auto box Ashcroft, Allisport IC, ACE, 2" lift only coils, BF goodrich KM2 265/70R17, FF front and rear bumper, TF steering guard and tree sliders, nanocom.
2013-2017: Disco 3 TDV6 HSE aut. of 2008, Britpart treesliders, IIDTool, RLD sump guard, BFG KM2 265/70R17, adj. rods, BAS remap + EGRs blanked, silicon IC hoses.
2010-2013: Disco II Td5 of 2000, ACE, front Bearmach HD coils, rear SLS, GG AT2
4th Aug 2014 10:31 pm
M3DPO
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Location: Notts.
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Try putting the old brake light switch back on It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't.
4th Aug 2014 10:43 pm
dingdongs
Member Since: 30 May 2012
Location: St. Lawrence Bay Essex
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was anything plugged into the towbar electrics or did these occur without the trailer or a light board connected?
4th Aug 2014 11:59 pm
bsm
Member Since: 14 May 2012
Location: Ellikom
Posts: 232
M3DPO wrote:
Try putting the old brake light switch back on
I'll try that and take her for a tour, hopefully it fails and I can put back the new switch. But it already failed with the new switch, when it was just installed.
dingdongs wrote:
was anything plugged into the towbar electrics or did these occur without the trailer or a light board connected?
All errors I've had were when something was plugged in, the trailer with his lights or the bike rack with his lights. The trailer is an older one with a 7 pin plug and a convertor to the 13 pins on the car, the bike rack is new one (http://www.thule.com/en/gb/products/carrie...9-_-929003) with a 13 pin plug.2017-...: Disco II Td5 auto, 1999, BAS remap, HD TC and auto box Ashcroft, Allisport IC, ACE, 2" lift only coils, BF goodrich KM2 265/70R17, FF front and rear bumper, TF steering guard and tree sliders, nanocom.
2013-2017: Disco 3 TDV6 HSE aut. of 2008, Britpart treesliders, IIDTool, RLD sump guard, BFG KM2 265/70R17, adj. rods, BAS remap + EGRs blanked, silicon IC hoses.
2010-2013: Disco II Td5 of 2000, ACE, front Bearmach HD coils, rear SLS, GG AT2
5th Aug 2014 8:48 am
lespes
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Bulbs in trailer board D4 Landmark MY16 Santorini Black THE LAST
D4 HSE MY12 Marmais Teal: Gone. Missed a lot!
Freelander 2 SD HSE MY11 Silver:Thankfully gone.
D4 HSE MY11 Silver: Gone missed !
Range Rover Sport MY06 HSE Buck Blue: Gone missed!
Discovery D2 TD5 Facelift MY Red Gone Missed!
Discovery D2 TD5 Cobalt Blue: Gone Missed!
Discovery D1 Auto Oxford Blue Not missed at all!
Discovery D1 Avalon Blue First LR! missed!
Now demoted to a VW
5th Aug 2014 2:44 pm
bsm
Member Since: 14 May 2012
Location: Ellikom
Posts: 232
Ok, put the old brake switch back and drove another 50km today without anything in the towing electrics. No problems at all with this broken car....
But I don't trust it, so left the perfect driving Disco at my local garage this afternoon. I hope they can find something.
In total I drove 100km without any problem, all this since I removed the bike rack, I did put the rack back for 25km's but no errors. Also in the garage they cannot imagine the bike rack has anything to do with the errors I got.
I just have to wait now. Any news from the garage, I'll post it here. 2017-...: Disco II Td5 auto, 1999, BAS remap, HD TC and auto box Ashcroft, Allisport IC, ACE, 2" lift only coils, BF goodrich KM2 265/70R17, FF front and rear bumper, TF steering guard and tree sliders, nanocom.
2013-2017: Disco 3 TDV6 HSE aut. of 2008, Britpart treesliders, IIDTool, RLD sump guard, BFG KM2 265/70R17, adj. rods, BAS remap + EGRs blanked, silicon IC hoses.
2010-2013: Disco II Td5 of 2000, ACE, front Bearmach HD coils, rear SLS, GG AT2
5th Aug 2014 2:54 pm
bsm
Member Since: 14 May 2012
Location: Ellikom
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lespes wrote:
Bulbs in trailer board
I also cannot get rid of the idea it has something to do with the towing electrics. I had an engine system fault with the trailer and an engine system fault with the bike rack, two totally different setups. So it should be on the electrics of the car? I used the official LR installation kit 21190501RC also known as Bearmach BA4045.2017-...: Disco II Td5 auto, 1999, BAS remap, HD TC and auto box Ashcroft, Allisport IC, ACE, 2" lift only coils, BF goodrich KM2 265/70R17, FF front and rear bumper, TF steering guard and tree sliders, nanocom.
2013-2017: Disco 3 TDV6 HSE aut. of 2008, Britpart treesliders, IIDTool, RLD sump guard, BFG KM2 265/70R17, adj. rods, BAS remap + EGRs blanked, silicon IC hoses.
2010-2013: Disco II Td5 of 2000, ACE, front Bearmach HD coils, rear SLS, GG AT2
5th Aug 2014 3:10 pm
Martin Site Admin and Owner
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Neither of those part numbers are genuine LR part numbers (just in case you were sold them as genuine LR parts).
21190501RC aka BA4045 is an aftermarket loom.
These looms require the socket to be fitted to the wires by the installer (the only part which is not plug-in), so there is a risk it may have been wired up incorrectly.
The genuine loom has the socket already fitted to the loom, so all connections are plug-in only.06 D3 SE / 15 LR D90 XS SW / 88 LR 90 Td5 / 68 BMW 2000 ti
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5th Aug 2014 3:26 pm
bsm
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Indeed I had to connect all the wires in the socket myself. The other connectors (to the rear light units) were connected.2017-...: Disco II Td5 auto, 1999, BAS remap, HD TC and auto box Ashcroft, Allisport IC, ACE, 2" lift only coils, BF goodrich KM2 265/70R17, FF front and rear bumper, TF steering guard and tree sliders, nanocom.
2013-2017: Disco 3 TDV6 HSE aut. of 2008, Britpart treesliders, IIDTool, RLD sump guard, BFG KM2 265/70R17, adj. rods, BAS remap + EGRs blanked, silicon IC hoses.
2010-2013: Disco II Td5 of 2000, ACE, front Bearmach HD coils, rear SLS, GG AT2
5th Aug 2014 3:30 pm
Martin Site Admin and Owner
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OK I would be double-checking the connections at the 13 pin socket, making sure the correct colours are in the correct terminals.
1 Black with White
2 White
2a Blue with White
3 Brown
4 Black with Green
5 Grey with Red
6 Black with Red
7 Grey with Black
8 Blue with Red
9 Red
10 Yellow
11 Yellow with Brown
12 no connection
13 Red with Brown06 D3 SE / 15 LR D90 XS SW / 88 LR 90 Td5 / 68 BMW 2000 ti
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5th Aug 2014 3:37 pm
Martin Site Admin and Owner
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And perhaps check the 7/13 pin adapter for faults?06 D3 SE / 15 LR D90 XS SW / 88 LR 90 Td5 / 68 BMW 2000 ti
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5th Aug 2014 3:39 pm
M3DPO
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I have experienced trailer wiring systems where both rear lights and brake lights have been fed from one side of the towing vehicle only. This was normal practice on some factory fitted tow bars on Transits, Iffor Williams supplied a supplementary wiring diagram with new trailers at one time on how to wire them up.It can when others can't,
It will when others won't,
It goes where others don't.
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It was the shortest distance I had to drive to get an error in the last 3 weeks. And the error was little different: HDC not available. Then also transmission fault and suspension lowered. Ignition off and back on gave back transmission fault. Again off and wait for a minute, then back on no more errors. Start and drove back home, before I got home, same HDC error again. Disappointed I left the car on the driveway, kids were coming home ...
Ok, from our town to the next town .... no problems. Continued the tour and back home I had 25km's without any problem. 
