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Hi Tony and the explanation makes sense. The mire resistance on tarmac is clearly all so I see the logic. But I remain slightly surprised that the police don't use the recovery point if just for consistency as I am sure they pull things that are not on tarmac, or do they leave that to the recovery folk?Land Rover - Turning Drivers into Mechanics Since 1948
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petersw wrote:
Excellent Robbie
Have you a recommendation of a simple "starter Kit"
I'll add more content in the next few days and look to add a couple of starter kits to the text. The forum membership has arranged some well balanced 4m tow rope and shackle bundles in the past that suit most people needs. My mind may be failing but didn't Del organise such a deal in the past?Land Rover - Turning Drivers into Mechanics Since 1948
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4th May 2013 8:04 pm
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Robbie wrote:
Hi Tony and the explanation makes sense. The mire resistance on tarmac is clearly all so I see the logic. But I remain slightly surprised that the police don't use the recovery point if just for consistency as I am sure they pull things that are not on tarmac, or do they leave that to the recovery folk?
just emergencies to move stranded vehicles out of harms way away from moving traffic eg broken down in lane 2 of the motorway. If its off the road or heavily damaged then it's for the recovery agents to sort out.
At the Hendon Police Driving School are some photos of a police Rover 800 someone drove onto the mud banks of the Thames, later followed by a police D2 that tried to recover it before the tide came in............ Sadly the pics don't seem to have made it onto the web Tony
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4th May 2013 8:10 pm
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I think this is very useful, because although I've had a bit of training and experience and would never recover anyone unless life/death situation, there are those folk who do but I'm with DSL.
Anyway, the only thing I'd add that is critical is the requirement to get recovery kit inspected by a professional after each major use, or better, replace. The biggest single aggravating factor in inspections of military vehicles relates to lifting and recovery gear. This is simply because the military has learnt the hard way that when recovery kit fails, people get very badly hurt indeed. Every single item is on a register and examined by a professional on a monthly basis. The slightest sign of wear and it is replaced. I don't think it's realistic for non-expert folk to be able to inspect kit about which they know nothing.
Anyone storing recovery kit that has moss or mushrooms growing on it should bin it without thinking twice. As for using a tow bar for recovery, it is not designed for this purpose and experiences entirely different stresses to those it is designed to deal with. The potential for badness in the event a tow bar fails during a recovery is significant. You may get away with it, but you may not. It's a gamble, not a risk.
I think the wiki entry is a great idea, if likely to suffer from a difficult birth!
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4th May 2013 8:18 pm
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Good start Rob
Don't understand the shackle and hook though tbh ..straight onto the recovery point for me
The Police tow thing ...not ideal from a strap on POV I agree but you and I know the tow hitch itself isn't going anywhere unless it breaks out through the cross member 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
4th May 2013 8:22 pm
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Does the shackle come with the car (as in should it be hidden somewhere, near the jack perhaps?). I haven't seen one in my car...
4th May 2013 8:30 pm
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Nope, not with the car. Another opportunity to buy stuff.
4th May 2013 8:32 pm
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ruggedpeak wrote:
At the Hendon Police Driving School are some photos of a police Rover 800 someone drove onto the mud banks of the Thames, later followed by a police D2 that tried to recover it before the tide came in............ Sadly the pics don't seem to have made it onto the web
I wonder why?
Well done Robbie keep it up. I have had a lot of recoveries due to towing a trailer fully loaded into fields to get to work. I usually get the farmer with a tractor to pull me to a safe place before driving off. I always use the towing eye and NEVER the tow ball.
Usually with a 10 ton 4m endless sling and shackle. Just shows you because it says Land Rover it can't always go anywhere especially with a dead weight behind you.
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4th May 2013 8:37 pm
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Might I add that if you're winching a vehicle then safe areas around both vehicles must be established in case of a winch rope snapping. A winch sail should always be used if at all possible to prevent the rope from becoming a lethal projectile in its' own right. Also the winch vehicle could always have its bonnet raised in order to act as a shield in case of a rope breaking and bringing shackles or tow balls etc though the windscreen. Winch operation should then be directed by a suitable person from OUTSIDE the winch vehicle. Obviously the person outside needs to be in a safe place outside the radius of the winch rope. PMR radios are always useful in these situations if they are available. Just a little tip that I hope will help. Robbie is right though, the best way to learn safe practice is from an approved 4x4 centre.
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4th May 2013 8:38 pm
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would this be ok? i don't plan on anything major just keep in the back if someone needs pulling out of a ditch or the verge not green laning or anything!
4th May 2013 9:25 pm
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I wouldn't see it being a problem for your average family car being towed withD3 57 xs Stornaway grey
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Quote:
5 Tonnes 4.5M Tow Towing Pull Rope Strap Heavy Duty Road Car Recovery Set G31
Would I use it?
NO!
Why not.
Well try reading the ad!
Apart from the bad English have a look at this example
Quote:
- Suit for Car, van, 4x4, up to 5 Tons.
What does that actually mean?
Is it WLL (working load limit) of 5 tonnes NO!
Is it UTS/BS (Ultimate tensile strength) of 5 tonnes NO!
Does it mean it is suitable for towing a 5 tonne vehicle on tarmac? YES which means its UTS is in excess of 500 kg but by how much?? Not a lot I suspect!
Try looking at the price.
£9.49 INCLUDING delivery.
Knock off VAT at 20% or £1.58
Knock off ebay fees at say a £1
Knock off postage/delivery which would be cheap at £3
Do you want to risk your life, your vehicle on something worth less then £4??
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all so I see the logic. But I remain slightly surprised that the police don't use the recovery point if just for consistency as I am sure they pull things that are not on tarmac, or do they leave that to the recovery folk?
Sadly the pics don't seem to have made it onto the web 
