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Renton
Member Since: 13 Jan 2009
Location: Somewhere in the middle
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PaulP wrote:
Renton - I guess you are also looking at fitting a new torque convertor? 
Yeah, you are right. They offered me a reconditioned one when I do the job over there.
New torque converter, gearbox revision, seals, oil, pan filter for € 2000 ex vat.
Plus a new € 200 radiator
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 23rd Mar 2011 10:32 pm |
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character
Member Since: 01 Jan 2008
Location: wiltshire
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touch wood, mine should be back tomorrow........ complete new auto box including torque converter/control module/pan filter/already filled with ATF, new radiator/intercooler, new oil cooler hoses, new temp sensors for intercooler & engine..... oh yea and  big bill
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| 23rd Mar 2011 10:47 pm |
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Renton
Member Since: 13 Jan 2009
Location: Somewhere in the middle
Posts: 1718
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character wrote:touch wood, mine should be back tomorrow........ complete new auto box including torque converter/control module/pan filter/already filled with ATF, new radiator/intercooler, new oil cooler hoses, new temp sensors for intercooler & engine..... oh yea and big bill
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| 24th Mar 2011 9:04 am |
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PaulP
Member Since: 04 May 2007
Location: Barcelona
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Renton wrote:Yeah, you are right. They offered me a reconditioned one when I do the job over there.
New torque converter, gearbox revision, seals, oil, pan filter for € 2000 ex vat.
I feel your pain 
When you say "over there", where do you mean?
I got a quote from my local LR workshop (official workshop, but not a sales dealership) and it came in at 1900 euros including VAT including 10% discount...maybe you can travel a little further and we'll get a group buy discount for both of us
The price included the items that you mentioned.
Renton wrote:Plus a new € 200 radiator
Only 200 euros? I had mine changed a month or two ago and it was 3 times that price fitted (including a discount)...
200 euros sounds cheap (mine cost 238 euros) and another 130 for fitting.....all of this plus the dreaded VAT. 2006 Discovery 3 TDV6 SE Auto Buckingham Blue
2007 Golf GT DSG
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| 24th Mar 2011 9:20 am |
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Renton
Member Since: 13 Jan 2009
Location: Somewhere in the middle
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PaulP wrote:Renton wrote:Yeah, you are right. They offered me a reconditioned one when I do the job over there.
New torque converter, gearbox revision, seals, oil, pan filter for € 2000 ex vat.
I feel your pain
When you say "over there", where do you mean?
I got a quote from my local LR workshop (official workshop, but not a sales dealership) and it came in at 1900 euros including VAT including 10% discount...maybe you can travel a little further and we'll get a group buy discount for both of us
The price included the items that you mentioned.
Renton wrote:Plus a new € 200 radiator
Only 200 euros? I had mine changed a month or two ago and it was 3 times that price fitted (including a discount)...
200 euros sounds cheap (mine cost 238 euros) and another 130 for fitting.....all of this plus the dreaded VAT.
Over here is Holland.
First quote I got was € 2400 ex vat. Second call was € 2000 ex vat.
Now gonna make a third call.....
But I will come to Spain 
€ 200 for the radiator + € 100 for fitting, ex vat......
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| 24th Mar 2011 10:03 am |
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Renton
Member Since: 13 Jan 2009
Location: Somewhere in the middle
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Juts made the third call. Quote € 3415 ex vat.
This was a ZF specialist who works for Landrover Holland and came recommended by ZF Holland.
They told me that their quote included a new torque converter and a new Megatronics computer.
He said that this was the only way to do it right. He believed that many other left the megatronics and would just clean it, hence the cheaper quote's.
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| 24th Mar 2011 11:46 am |
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PaulP
Member Since: 04 May 2007
Location: Barcelona
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Do they mean the "mechatronic" valve block? There is no reason to change the transmission ECU?
For 4000 euros (inc VAT) I would ask LR for the price to fit a completely new box (as per Character) - it can't be much more expensive. 2006 Discovery 3 TDV6 SE Auto Buckingham Blue
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| 24th Mar 2011 11:56 am |
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Renton
Member Since: 13 Jan 2009
Location: Somewhere in the middle
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PaulP wrote:Do they mean the "mechatronic" valve block? There is no reason to change the transmission ECU?
For 4000 euros (inc VAT) I would ask LR for the price to fit a completely new box (as per Character) - it can't be much more expensive.
Yes I do mean the mechatronic valve block. I have been told by 3 different companies that this part has been contarminated as well. It can be cleaned but preferable needs a new one......
TLO is on holiday so can't ask him for a quote for a new gearbox but if I google it I see advertised prices of 3.300 pounds. Depending on Nicks quote it might be worth while to buy a new gearbox.......
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| 24th Mar 2011 12:43 pm |
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Dan_NL
Member Since: 19 Sep 2010
Location: world
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*** Health warning : reading the text below might be detrimental to your good night rest ***
How very sad... ...it is to know that some problems already existed BEFORE production of the LR 3 started with that very same automatic gearbox [ ZF 6HP26 ] ;
6-speed autoboxes have required software upgrades. Torque converter failures of 6-speed automatics (known as "gearbox squark") have become quite common. Problem of lurching of ZF autobox covered at www.thelurch.com plus numerous other Jaguar TSBs. This can be temporarily alleviated by using different automatic transmission fluid and an additive. Jaguar has replaced transmissions on 3 - 5 year old cars for as little as £770, calling it a "25% contribution", though the true customer cost of a new transmission would be more than £3,080.
Like Mercedes and Renault, the automatic transmission fluid cooler is situated in the radiator where a fracture can put
coolant into the transmission fluid and wreck the transmission.
Seems to be a problem with the 'electronic' (electric) parking brakes failing to disengage properly, leading to excess wear on the rear discs and rear disc life as short as 15,000 miles.
[source: http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/jagua...ection=bad ]
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| 25th Mar 2011 12:50 am |
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AN
Member Since: 26 Jul 2005
Location: Hungary
Posts: 327
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Lurch #2 on Jag TBS can be solved on the D3 by updating the automatic gearbox software (as per ZF/LR instruction). The software update worked on my D3, lurch #2 disappeared, I never had lurch #1.
Regards, Arpad LR D3 S Black, Auto TDV6
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| 25th Mar 2011 2:22 pm |
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Renton
Member Since: 13 Jan 2009
Location: Somewhere in the middle
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In an effort to try to get some compensation from LR I openend a new thread
http://disco3.co.uk/forum/topic63826.html?highlight=
I now have been told the swap the complete gearbox + radiator at an estimate cost of at least € 5000,00.
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| 29th Mar 2011 11:24 am |
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CromptonS
Member Since: 25 Oct 2011
Location: Durban
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My gearbox was fine until the last service at 132000km. When I got the vehicle back I had a very strange problem. When I pressed the brake the park lights would come on, and when the lights were on the vehicle woul d not change gear in Auto only in Command Shift. I took it back and they informed me that it needed a software upgrade which they did and it appeared to solve the problem. However I seem to have this judder problem now, but it only seems to be when I am standing at a robot in gear. Once I get going I dont feel it anymore. It doesnt feel like its slipping though, but rather like its biting and wanting to jerk forward.
I have a question regarding the water contamination. If the water is leaking where do you check to see if water levels are dropping? I ve checked mine and all the levels are OK. Surely they must drop if it is leaking?
For information purposes my torque converter was changed at 80000km.
Thank your for comments
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| 25th Oct 2011 6:47 am |
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Dan_NL
Member Since: 19 Sep 2010
Location: world
Posts: 1213
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Hi CromptonS. what doe you mean with Quote:standing at a robot in gear
... You mean a traffic light? There is no measurable 'drop' in level of coolant. The tiny cracks that let the coolant trhough means you speak of centiliters per month, which might as well leave the circuit once it overheats or an airbubble left somewhere in the system escapes. The chemicals as glycol dilute the oil and as much as a 'wrong type' of gearbox oil can be damaging, a small percentage [1-no level known glycol] building up over time in the gearbox oil, does its damage. 
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| 25th Oct 2011 10:24 am |
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CromptonS
Member Since: 25 Oct 2011
Location: Durban
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Hi Dan_NL,
Thank you for your reply. Yes I meant traffic lights we call them robots  I wonder why the dealer did not check for contamination or repair the leak when they changed the Torque converter the first time?
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| 25th Oct 2011 2:09 pm |
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Dan_NL
Member Since: 19 Sep 2010
Location: world
Posts: 1213
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Hi CromptonS, there is a range of problems with TC's , gearboxes etc. Some have comparable symptons.. so the Torque Converter can have failed due to hauling heavy loads [trailer] uphill [or offroad] in high gearing or with high speed in 'D' . If you read the manual with the car, you can see that LowGearing is preferred for hard work, and preferrably in a manually selected 'fixed' gear to eliminate TC'slip [=heat generation --> burning]. The TC normally damage by overheating. Hence the ATF smells burned and is changed with the TC.  So how do you use the car is the key question in finding out why the TC failed...  Once this ATF is changed, you will wait a few months generally, before enough Glycol leaked into the ATF [it's not ATF, just for the shortnote's sake...], before you can proof its presence again.  If the TC damages due to the glycol, it is because it damages the lamellae in the TC where it makes them swell [I've read this somewhere, cannot remember witch posting...  ].
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| 25th Oct 2011 3:14 pm |
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