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I think that says it all, maybe in the hands of a skillfull driver they would not be such a handfull.
21st Sep 2010 3:45 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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LT: Wish we had got warm enough for "slushy"!!
21st Sep 2010 3:46 pm
LT
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I should have been a little more specific in my last post. I was comparing my Goodyear MTR's with my Pirelli ATR's in snowy, icy & slushy conditions. Nothing scientific, I just fitted my MTR's during the last snowy spell. I live in a village on the edge of Bath. My house is at the end of a private lane which is about 200yds long. This lane and the local roads are never gritted or cleared of snow. But the main road which is gritted, is about 0.5 of a mile from my house. So on the journey to my office, I drove on fresh snow, packed snow, ice and slush.
The ATR's coped very well, although I've not doubt whatsoever that a specific winter tyre would have been far superior. I thought I'd try out the MTR's, they certainly gave the impression of better traction in fresh snow than the ATR's, but on packed snow & ice in comparison to the ATR's, steering feel was much more vague and I slipped sideways a couple of times, this was all at very low speeds (max. 10 mph).
I think it's important to note that the D3/D4 performs brilliantly in these conditions (and off-road) regardless of tyre type. You have to make compromises with tyres, no one tyre does it all. Imo, it's all about finding the right compromise for your requirements or having different sets of tyres that you can use for specific applications.
For me the best all-round tyre is the Pirelli ATR. Once these have worn out, I'll probably try the new General Grabber AT's if feedback is positive.
22nd Sep 2010 11:51 am
jkp
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I found the MTR very capable during the big freeze last year in all conditions, but as DSL says...drive like a moron and you'll come unstuck.
Not sure about all the tyre advice on here of late. Seems to be a lot of opinion based on hear-say and 2nd hand information rather than actual experience like LT and DSL above.
Saying that I'm back on wranglers at the moment as the recent blast home thru france done my head in with the rumble, but I miss them and will be back on soon just in time for the snow, ice and huge snowfalls.
27th Oct 2010 12:35 am
LT
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Truth is the D3/4 is fantastic in wintry weather regardless of what tyres are fitted.
A good example of this is friend and colleague who owns a D3. He's previously owned a range of 4X4's inc. several classic rangies and deafeners as well as Jap stuff. He was stunned by how superb the D3 was in the snow. By far the best 4X4 he's experienced. He was on Wrangler HP's, that he discovered a couple of weeks after the snow had gone, were worn down to nearly the metal on the inner edges on the fronts. I sent him off to AJS, who couldn't believe that he hadn't had a blow out on the way!
I never had any concerns when I tested my MTR's last winter, it's just that the ATR's felt more secure on packed snow & ice.
Previously, I've driven on snow using Pirelli Scorpions (newish, so plenty of tread) and always got everywhere without much drama.
27th Oct 2010 10:48 am
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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Will you lot stop talking about winter, it's enough to drive you to drink!!
27th Oct 2010 10:51 am
jkp
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Lets talk about the rain then
MTR's are very good when hitting standing water, good stability, no aquaplaning unlike 'normal' tyres that float and push water up over the screen. I forgot all about these attributes until I hit water on the way home from work this morning giving an 'oooooh fek moment'
27th Oct 2010 5:41 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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John, how were they when that Belgian tanker pulled out on you on way to Lux?? All the threads re good truck drivers, he wasn't a good example! I'm sure he's still got your polish on his rear crash bar!
27th Oct 2010 5:47 pm
jkp
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I forgot about that...
Well, the MTR's done a perfect emergency stop in the wet conditions and the added instant lubrication in my undercrackers was a bit of a surprise as well as you know.
I always find a high pitched girly squeal also helps improve stopping distance
27th Oct 2010 7:04 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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We heard a few of these squeals in the desert!!
27th Oct 2010 7:16 pm
MacLeod 313
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jkp wrote:
MTR's are very good when hitting standing water, good stability, no aquaplaning unlike 'normal' tyres that float and push water up over the screen.
Something I quickly forgot when I put the Wranglers back on, scary stuff cos momentarily you can see nowt. I have heard nothing that will convince me on the GGAT, so going back to what I know.
MTR
27th Oct 2010 7:23 pm
biskit
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Mac whats happened to my ebay link
27th Oct 2010 7:36 pm
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just in time for the snow, ice and huge snowfalls. 
Not a clue............
