Dondiddy
Member Since: 26 Dec 2019
Location: Hamilton
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But you did have issues with the suspension lowering when you first got it damaged and it did have a lot more damage that you first thought. Perhaps the abs sensor being dirty isn`t the underlying issue.
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 11th Nov 2020 1:54 pm |
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Moo
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Bazross wrote:Well that's not really an option nor helpful .
It is solvable and maybe you have been lucky with it many have not .
Its clear no body really knows how to solve it some have decent suggestions some not so decent .
To say I've not suffered it does not mean the issue doesn't exist it dor and its well documented.
The car itself is nice and i like it if it was just me driving it it would not be a problem to say the solution is chop it for a toyata is a bit condescending to be honest buddy .
There is not much ive not done to to cars engines etc and this is just another one that needs solving .
Its not rocket science and all I was looking for was a simple quick solution that may have been out there thats all .
MODERATORS please close the thread.
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| 11th Nov 2020 2:01 pm |
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Bazross
Member Since: 18 Apr 2020
Location: lans
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While I appreciate you taking time to reply you are completely off track the repair is not the under lying cause at all.
The dropping previous was a totally different issue related to the steering sensor needing recalibration. .
There was damage to the steering rack the impact was not thst significant and having the diagnostics to plug in I can tell you the issue was the sensor nothing more than that it was giving zero output on the live data.
I have repaired more vehicles than I care to remember .
There is nothing wrong with the repairs I carried out and the issue is nothing more than crap on the sensor.
The whole issue is the fact the car drops and will strand you at the drop of a hat
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| 11th Nov 2020 2:07 pm |
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Bazross
Member Since: 18 Apr 2020
Location: lans
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Moo wrote:Bazross wrote:Well that's not really an option nor helpful .
It is solvable and maybe you have been lucky with it many have not .
Its clear no body really knows how to solve it some have decent suggestions some not so decent .
To say I've not suffered it does not mean the issue doesn't exist it dor and its well documented.
The car itself is nice and i like it if it was just me driving it it would not be a problem to say the solution is chop it for a toyata is a bit condescending to be honest buddy .
There is not much ive not done to to cars engines etc and this is just another one that needs solving .
Its not rocket science and all I was looking for was a simple quick solution that may have been out there thats all .
MODERATORS please close the thread.
Not sure you're going to get the answer you want. However, if Toyota is not a solution, how about a Mitsubishi Shogun..
Ohhhh no you get worse  I had two of those would never have anothet first one cracked the head second one threw a leg through the block ....never again....ever 🤣🤣
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| 11th Nov 2020 2:09 pm |
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AndyViking
Member Since: 09 Aug 2007
Location: Kent
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Sadly I think that the odd limp home is part of life with older D3s.
If a cheap brake light bulb can bring the thing to its knees (literally and metaphorically) then you have to make a choice in the end. Live with it or move it on.
I fully understand the livestock point, but functioning ABS should be even more important if you have a 3 tonne load behind a 3 tonne car (all weights give or take!). Bypassing the safety systems may be a "get me off the motorway" solution but should probably not be a "get me home solution" (IMHO).
There are even worse cases of crazy problems - wait until the alternator dies and the battery runs flat without warning at 70mph (ahem) in the outside lane of the M25. Whole car totally shuts down to protect the ECUs, but you have no engine, no power steering, no servo brakes, no hazard warning lights, no ability to change gear into neutral to coast and very brown underwear.
Don't get people started on brake light switches - mandatory spare part in the boot at all times...
That said, if there is a way around your problem, the very knowledgeable folk on this forum will know how to find it. If they can make D3s compatible with D4s, bring ACC to the masses and such like, hopefully they can find a solution.
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| 11th Nov 2020 2:14 pm |
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Dondiddy
Member Since: 26 Dec 2019
Location: Hamilton
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Ok but it is a strange issue. Have just done some work on an old L322 that had been sitting for over 3 years. Got it starting and driving ok but it has the abs light on and air suspension inop message on the dash but the suspension still works and it is sitting normally. Did loads of accident damaged stuff back in the day and some had faults that no-one had ever experienced before! It was a good learning experience at the time! Good luck! 
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| 11th Nov 2020 2:15 pm |
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NJSS
Member Since: 06 May 2009
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If you are thinking of doing any modifications do not forget to discuss with your insurers beforehand.
I can see a possibility of cover being refused in certain circumstances.
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| 11th Nov 2020 2:16 pm |
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Bazross
Member Since: 18 Apr 2020
Location: lans
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AndyViking wrote:Sadly I think that the odd limp home is part of life with older D3s.
If a cheap brake light bulb can bring the thing to its knees (literally and metaphorically) then you have to make a choice in the end. Live with it or move it on.
I fully understand the livestock point, but functioning ABS should be even more important if you have a 3 tonne load behind a 3 tonne car (all weights give or take!). Bypassing the safety systems may be a "get me off the motorway" solution but should probably not be a "get me home solution" (IMHO).
There are even worse cases of crazy problems - wait until the alternator dies and the battery runs flat without warning at 70mph (ahem) in the outside lane of the M25. Whole car totally shuts down to protect the ECUs, but you have no engine, no power steering, no servo brakes, no hazard warning lights, no ability to change gear into neutral to coast and very brown underwear.
Don't get people started on brake light switches - mandatory spare part in the boot at all times...
That said, if there is a way around your problem, the very knowledgeable folk on this forum will know how to find it. If they can make D3s compatible with D4s, bring ACC to the masses and such like, hopefully they can find a solution.
Good luck
I love this kind of post fills me with hope 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thanks seriously its just the dropping so it may be springs the rest I can deal with at home .
I hatd the starter pack up 120 miles from home and its auto this I can live with not an issue.
Just the losing everything for the sake of a sensor or bulb some other silly thing I find unacceptable.
Maybe springs im not sure yet
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| 11th Nov 2020 2:24 pm |
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Bazross
Member Since: 18 Apr 2020
Location: lans
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Dondiddy wrote:Ok but it is a strange issue. Have just done some work on an old L322 that had been sitting for over 3 years. Got it starting and driving ok but it has the abs light on and air suspension inop message on the dash but the suspension still works and it is sitting normally. Did loads of accident damaged stuff back in the day and some had faults that no-one had ever experienced before! It was a good learning experience at the time! Good luck!
I think any sort of fault will bring lights on inc the abs light and it may be a different fault and needs a code reader on it to work out the fault not all the faults drop the suspension .
Looking at the wiring diagram the air is controlled from a relay.
Maybe a earth wire on a toggle switch to pump it back up as a get off the motorway get home fix where it can be looked at .
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| 11th Nov 2020 2:44 pm |
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Moo
D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
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Bazross wrote:Moo wrote:Bazross wrote:Well that's not really an option nor helpful .
It is solvable and maybe you have been lucky with it many have not .
Its clear no body really knows how to solve it some have decent suggestions some not so decent .
To say I've not suffered it does not mean the issue doesn't exist it dor and its well documented.
The car itself is nice and i like it if it was just me driving it it would not be a problem to say the solution is chop it for a toyata is a bit condescending to be honest buddy .
There is not much ive not done to to cars engines etc and this is just another one that needs solving .
Its not rocket science and all I was looking for was a simple quick solution that may have been out there thats all .
MODERATORS please close the thread.
Not sure you're going to get the answer you want. However, if Toyota is not a solution, how about a Mitsubishi Shogun..
Ohhhh no you get worse I had two of those would never have anothet first one cracked the head second one threw a leg through the block ....never again....ever 🤣🤣
OK, so Japanese is out. Options are narrowing but, there's always a solution - what about a Lada Niva. No electrics, indestructible and cheap. Sell the D3 and you're quids in Now what not to like?  New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
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| 11th Nov 2020 3:23 pm |
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Ivan
Member Since: 01 Mar 2011
Location: Malvern Worcestershire
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This is what you need. Having travelled in the Australian bush with my D3 you have to find a way to get back to civilisation. Some of the places I have been, you would not be able to get out of if the Disco drops to it's bump stops. It's no good waiting for a breakdown truck because, again, some of the places I have been, a truck would not be able to reach you. Even in this day and age you still need to know a few bush mechanic tricks to get you out of trouble. 2013 RR Vogue SE SDV8
2013 Freelander 2 HSE Luxury SD4
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| 11th Nov 2020 3:25 pm |
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MorganD379
Member Since: 29 Sep 2016
Location: SA62 3PP
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If its just the suspension dropping to the bumps your worried about there are two kits I know of that would allow you to raise it when the suspension has a tantrum. There's Xlifter and the easylift both offer 'special' programs one of which is 'recovery' which will lift the suspension off of the stops to get you home... I remember seeing a 3rd option from Australia but can't remember the name 
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| 11th Nov 2020 3:27 pm |
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Ivan
Member Since: 01 Mar 2011
Location: Malvern Worcestershire
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The one I pointed to is an EAS (Emergency Air Suspension) kit. It allows you to manually inflate your air springs. 2013 RR Vogue SE SDV8
2013 Freelander 2 HSE Luxury SD4
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| 11th Nov 2020 3:30 pm |
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Bazross
Member Since: 18 Apr 2020
Location: lans
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Thanks guys this is more what I mean and was looking for not cheap but given that ir the consequences its a small price.
I'll have a look into it now .
As a side note does any of the diagnostics allow an override at all such as the iid tool my carsoft although pretty good doesn't.
And cant get spares for a lada these days 🤣 plus no towing capacity.
Thanks guys
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| 11th Nov 2020 4:11 pm |
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Bazross
Member Since: 18 Apr 2020
Location: lans
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Ivan wrote:The one I pointed to is an EAS (Emergency Air Suspension) kit. It allows you to manually inflate your air springs.
Thanks so much Ivan more than helpful
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| 11th Nov 2020 4:13 pm |
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