Member Since: 18 Apr 2020
Location: lans
Posts: 141
NoDo$h wrote:
Yeah, sure, I'm having a laugh. All those Disco 3s towing livestock everywhere every day, it's absolutely the main use for them. Not a minute goes by here in rural Dorset where I don't see a livestock trailer or horsebox on the back of a D3 - never see a D3 without one.
That was sarcasm if you're wondering.
As for no other car stopping when safety system fail, you can't have driven many new cars in the last 5-10 years.
So here's the summary:
You aren't going to get what you want, no matter how you dress it up.
I can't make it plainer than that
Well your full of yourself ain't you .
I didn't come on here asking for a row but some are so full of them selves and other things and most have never even held a spanner are full of holier than thou advice without actually knowing anything .
I will find a way around this because its made and it can be undone if it has to be a mechanical fix or software fix ill find it.
11th Nov 2020 11:20 am
DN D3 Decade
Member Since: 23 Jun 2006
Location: W.London.
Posts: 2344
Bazross, looking at this in perspective, in 15yrs of D3 ownership, I have never had the thing shut down on me, or go into limited performance .........This is not a common occurrence. I do have decent breakdown cover though, should I need it.D3 owned from new, P017 brake recall, BAS FBHIC, new FBH, LR013487 oil pump, new water pump. RRS front lower suspension arms. New suspension compressor/ relay. New Denso alternator. CuNifer rear brake pipes. New GKN rear propshaft. New HPFP belt & tensioner. New A/C Condenser.NO WARRANTY for many many years.
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11th Nov 2020 11:20 am
Bazross
Member Since: 18 Apr 2020
Location: lans
Posts: 141
Well I get where you are coming from but once or twice is enough to he wary of it .
And knowing a few disco 3 owners all but one or two have been stuck at some point .
I'm not someone that can't spanner and doesn't understand all the safety sides but to me a fail on the abs sensor should not drop it to its knees if your in the middle of nowhere or on the hard shoulder that's isnt good by any standards brake lights failing should not drop your suspension .
The easy way is fit coiled springs and do away with the issue but then will it affect the terrain modes I dont know until I look into it but I'm not happy with the Mrs towing her livestock about knowing the sparrow crap on the window could shut the suspension down and leave her stranded horses are a dangerous animal and not the most stable one either.
11th Nov 2020 11:32 am
gstuart
Member Since: 21 Oct 2016
Location: kent
Posts: 14111
Plus 1 what’s been mentioned
Know u can install shrieder valves on each air bag pipe so u could at least pump ur suspension up using an external tyre inflator as an emergency situation to get u home
Don’t get me wrong I think limp mode is very dangerous , particularly when it done it to me down a motorway without any warning what so ever
But at the end of the day , can only take as many precautions as possible, having recovery , regular maintenance, carrying some spares , tool kit , tyre inflator , personally have a T max which is very good , a code reader kept in the glove box , at least having recovery there as a back up plan
So apart from the above there’s not much else u can do , plus if any of them were over ridden I imagine ur insurance being voided then god forbid having an accident with the police becoming involved
The joys of owning cars , lol
11th Nov 2020 11:35 am
buns
Member Since: 12 Oct 2020
Location: yorkshire
Posts: 117
I agree 100% with the coil spring swap.
But disappointing when you have to do this.
It’s what the D3 is about comfort and durability.
11th Nov 2020 11:49 am
Bazross
Member Since: 18 Apr 2020
Location: lans
Posts: 141
Hi
No I wasn't aware of the valve thing .
Its something I'll look at if its happened to you you know how disconcerting it is , put two horses in a trailer on the back and you can see where I'm coming from .
Yeah I get tampering with the ecu controls could be a big huge nono so woukd not really be open to that unless its a last resort get you to safety method.
However I need to do something .
The car is serviced and maintained things are replaced and its looked after however its temperamental for life as a worker and I can't accept something thats so intrusive yo leave you on the hard shoulder or in the middle of nowhere because of a simple brake light out or abs sensor having no output .
Like I said bring up a light a big red light telling you it failed give it constant bells so it can't be ignored but shut you down no .
If you are driving and having to make sudden movements enough to roll the thing andvit had the red lights flashing then your at fault anyway .
If you have a red light showing drive accordingly it does not need to be dropped to it bump stops leaving you high and dry
11th Nov 2020 11:54 am
Kilovolt
Member Since: 29 Jun 2015
Location: South Derbyshire
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Sadly human nature dictates that if you allow someone to override a safety function out of convenience, that that will become the 'norm' with no incentive to address the underlying issue
It is a brave person (or organisation) that overrides a so-called safety features that then leads to an accident I have done a lot of safety analysis work in the past (including nuclear) and these are a big no-no!
Get some quality breakdown cover (as already suggested)
Just my thoughts of course."Track day running - Don't put your foot back on the accelerator until your absolutely sure you don't have to take it off again"
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11th Nov 2020 12:40 pm
Bazross
Member Since: 18 Apr 2020
Location: lans
Posts: 141
buns wrote:
Hi. Few years ago. I was in a dealer ship and overheard a lady discussing something very similar.
The technician advised her to book the car in and they could do something with the software.
Now I’m not sure what they did but they had an idea of something they could do.
I’m sure it was something to do with isolating the suspension.
Hope this helps
Hi yes it does help im going to look at the issue and see what can be done .
Just digging through the wiring diagrams now to see what controls what .
For most people a breakdown is a breakdown and little more than an inconvenience.
Unless you have owned horses or dealt with them or have knowledge of them it cannot be overstressed the dangers of them in confined spaces the results of having to enter a trailer with them when they are wound up can and has been fatal
And not something I want the Mrs and daughter doing because a sensor has failed or light has popped .
The d3 should still have limited drivability to get you off the hard shoulder to safety at the very least .
11th Nov 2020 12:43 pm
Bazross
Member Since: 18 Apr 2020
Location: lans
Posts: 141
Kilovolt wrote:
Sadly human nature dictates that if you allow someone to override a safety function out of convenience, that that will become the 'norm' with no incentive to address the underlying issue
It is a brave person (or organisation) that overrides a so-called safety features that then leads to an accident I have done a lot of safety analysis work in the past (including nuclear) and these are a big no-no!
Get some quality breakdown cover (as already suggested)
Just my thoughts of course.
Don't think a breakdown truck woukd be taking the d3 trailer and two horses
I myself am qualified in H&S to nebosh level and the d3 just taking away any control you have fails a basic RA and stuck on the motorway with livestock is not about convenient
11th Nov 2020 12:47 pm
Moo D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 14371
In 15 years of D3 and D4 ownership I've never had this issue and I towed a lot, but admittedly not livestock.
Having read your posts, you probably bought the wrong car. Perhaps swap it for a Toyota.New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
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11th Nov 2020 1:05 pm
Bazross
Member Since: 18 Apr 2020
Location: lans
Posts: 141
Well that's not really an option nor helpful .
It is solvable and maybe you have been lucky with it many have not .
Its clear no body really knows how to solve it some have decent suggestions some not so decent .
To say I've not suffered it does not mean the issue doesn't exist it dor and its well documented.
The car itself is nice and i like it if it was just me driving it it would not be a problem to say the solution is chop it for a toyata is a bit condescending to be honest buddy .
There is not much ive not done to to cars engines etc and this is just another one that needs solving .
Its not rocket science and all I was looking for was a simple quick solution that may have been out there thats all .
MODERATORS please close the thread.
11th Nov 2020 1:17 pm
gstuart
Member Since: 21 Oct 2016
Location: kent
Posts: 14111
Bazross wrote:
Hi
No I wasn't aware of the valve thing .
Its something I'll look at if its happened to you you know how disconcerting it is , put two horses in a trailer on the back and you can see where I'm coming from .
Yeah I get tampering with the ecu controls could be a big huge nono so woukd not really be open to that unless its a last resort get you to safety method.
However I need to do something .
The car is serviced and maintained things are replaced and its looked after however its temperamental for life as a worker and I can't accept something thats so intrusive yo leave you on the hard shoulder or in the middle of nowhere because of a simple brake light out or abs sensor having no output .
Like I said bring up a light a big red light telling you it failed give it constant bells so it can't be ignored but shut you down no .
If you are driving and having to make sudden movements enough to roll the thing andvit had the red lights flashing then your at fault anyway .
If you have a red light showing drive accordingly it does not need to be dropped to it bump stops leaving you high and dry
Hiya
Indeed ref the shrieder kits
Don’t get me wrong I understand where ur coming from and don’t mean this with an disrespect but would it be worth getting an older Land Rover particular to tow ur horses so it will then at least reduce the amount of electronics that the vehicle has
Think the D3 has around 26 x ecus so as always with the canbus system and how they all talk with one another any alteration to one can lead to such a snowball effect , of course know there are certain sensors that can fool some system
Plus of course if u overrode something and caused an accident which resulted in injury to ur beloved or someone else u would never forgive urself , then on top void insurance along with possible prosecution
Once again hope that doesn’t come across as rude in anyway but simply not worth it due to the what IFS
11th Nov 2020 1:20 pm
Bazross
Member Since: 18 Apr 2020
Location: lans
Posts: 141
No not at all mate .
I'm not going to be buying another motor though .
I had a disco 2 that I had re chassis and done the head upgrade changed out the transfer box for one with difflocks and everything else needed and sold it when this heap came along....wished I hadn't.
However I did and I'm not starting all over again .
Maybe coils on this but I refuse to be beat by it .
Its a crap system for sure
ok when its bobbing around like the mums taking the kids to school but real work can leave you high and dry and stuck.
11th Nov 2020 1:35 pm
Dondiddy
Member Since: 26 Dec 2019
Location: Hamilton
Posts: 309
Perhaps the issues you are experiencing are due to the fact that the disco had previously been in an accident on that front corner and you have done loads of work to it to get it back on the road. It is not uncommon for a written off car to have electrical bugs in it that would not normally be present. There can be loads of unseen damage when a car has had an accident serious enough to set off the airbags and put the suspension out of alignment.!
11th Nov 2020 1:37 pm
Bazross
Member Since: 18 Apr 2020
Location: lans
Posts: 141
It had crap on the sensor on the left abs nothing to do with the repairs or anything else simply rusty bit of crap on the sensor cleaned off nothing wrong all codes gone all issues gone dirt on the sensor .
All aligned up and motor was not a write off all air bags replaced and good order.
So crap on the sensor stops the motor nothing else no other problems!!
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I do have decent breakdown cover though, should I need it.
I have done a lot of safety analysis work in the past (including nuclear) and these are a big no-no!
