Member Since: 18 Apr 2020
Location: lans
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D3 leaving you stranded are there any workarounds
Hi guys .
I've been laid up for about 3 weeks with covid
So I'm up and about and out of isolation and had to use the d3.
So I'm on my way back after about 20 miles and the Xmas tree lights up and all functions on suspension are gone and it lowers its down onto the stops.
So I plugs in the reader and sees its a abs sensor on the front left not giving a signal on live data and as many times as I reset it just faulted again.
So I had no option but to drive home in the lowered position.
Checked the sensor and it had a bit of dirt on it cleaned it all good .
But the Mrs drives it to tow the horses around and its a bit of a gamble if its bells and whistles go off and could leave the horses stranded .
So my question is are there any work around remaps or anything to stop you being stranded for simple things like abs sensors .
I get its a safety issue but a light on the dash is one thing dropping to its knees and limping home is another in paticular with livestock at the rear.
As always any help advice tuition is welcomed.
Regards baz
10th Nov 2020 8:12 pm
Globetrotter448
Member Since: 21 Mar 2017
Location: Londonderry NSW
Posts: 1817
If it was laid up for a few weeks the battery may be "Knackered" technical term. As these vehicles rely on lots of electrical power you could try giving the battery a good charge up and also test alternator. Battery when sat with no ign on should be around 12.8 volts, when started the battery should show around 14.4 volts.
11th Nov 2020 3:35 am
lynalldiscovery
Member Since: 22 Dec 2009
Location: Maidstone
Posts: 7274
Dirt should not effect the sensor, what my have effected it is rust forcing the sensor away from the pulse ring, ie air gap to large.
Or wheel bearing on its way?
11th Nov 2020 7:28 am
Bazross
Member Since: 18 Apr 2020
Location: lans
Posts: 141
Globetrotter448 wrote:
If it was laid up for a few weeks the battery may be "Knackered" technical term. As these vehicles rely on lots of electrical power you could try giving the battery a good charge up and also test alternator. Battery when sat with no ign on should be around 12.8 volts, when started the battery should show around 14.4 volts.
No the problem isn't the battery it was the sensor on front left abs which is now corrected.
My issue is not the problems its that it will drop out all drivable function for the sake of an abs sensor or light bulb or dome other something and nothing issue that can and does leave you stranded
11th Nov 2020 10:21 am
Bazross
Member Since: 18 Apr 2020
Location: lans
Posts: 141
lynalldiscovery wrote:
Dirt should not effect the sensor, what my have effected it is rust forcing the sensor away from the pulse ring, ie air gap to large.
Or wheel bearing on its way?
No itcwas crap between the sensor it had stuck to it at the magnetic part and the bearing is new only 500 miles onnit .
My issue isn't faults or whatever its the fact that it leaves you high and dry for some tiny fault .
Most cars will throw up an abs light or engine management light in the event of a fault but unless really serious its rare to shut it down into limp mode and take away all driveability .
My question isn't whats the fault but is there any way of stopping it leaving you stranded in the even of a small issue such as an abs sensor fail .
Bring up an abs sensor light by all means but shut it down to its bump stops is just a nonsense and its in the software so in theory it could be mapped out could it ?
11th Nov 2020 10:28 am
MintyHit
Member Since: 25 Jul 2017
Location: Bradford on Avon
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I've been wondering this. I know there are kits you can buy to individually inflate the airbags in case of a failed compressor or to bypass a leak but they look pretty expensive and involved.
It would be good if it was possible to electronically bypass the error causing the lowering command and keep it inflated.
11th Nov 2020 10:30 am
Bazross
Member Since: 18 Apr 2020
Location: lans
Posts: 141
Exactly.
Its downright dangerous if you have horses in a box on the motorway they ain't something you can just walk off home until the breakdown services come .
There must be a way to have the shutdown switched off .
The abs sensor fault not only dropped it it stopped the speedo it stopped the body control and as youvwoukd expect the abs.
All it needs and should do it bring up a warning light and if needs be limit speed to 50 mph its in the software and I'm really surprised this has not been addressed as it dangerous
It's a safety protocol. It's not designed nor intended to be ignored or over-written. Those sensors are part of the stability system. Over-ride them and you're asking to roll your vehicle if you need to swerve to avoid an accident or if you momentarily lose traction on an ascent or descent - and that's why software engineers went to great lengths to make sure you can't ignore them.
It may be inconvenient on the rare occasion it happens, but that's the nature of mechanical and electronic devices; they will fail eventually with varying consequences.I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
I'm really surprised this has not been addressed as it dangerous
More dangerous than not having stability control working? There are far more instances where that would be dangerous in the tens of thousands of D3 driving hours around the globe each day than there are instances of horse boxes being towed on motorways.I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
11th Nov 2020 10:58 am
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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Good breakdown and recovery is a must. Look on the bright side, you’re not using fuel when it’s on the big yellow taxi. Planet saved.
11th Nov 2020 10:58 am
buns
Member Since: 12 Oct 2020
Location: yorkshire
Posts: 117
Hi. Few years ago. I was in a dealer ship and overheard a lady discussing something very similar.
The technician advised her to book the car in and they could do something with the software.
Now I’m not sure what they did but they had an idea of something they could do.
I’m sure it was something to do with isolating the suspension.
Hope this helps
11th Nov 2020 10:59 am
Bazross
Member Since: 18 Apr 2020
Location: lans
Posts: 141
Its also a safety issue leaving you stranded with livestock .
Given its a landrover and in the main its used for towing and towing livestock then there's has to be some consideration given to this .
I know of no other motor that can and will shut you down to the point of not being able to drive it its a nonsense .
As for rare your having a laugh are you not this thing does it regular as for safety it drops to its knees if the brake lights fail
The engineers are the same engineers that designed the position of the starter motor and the same ones thst designed in a body off to remove a turbo which is a consumable part that will fail id like to get a hold of those engineers I can tell you.
Its a nonsense to close you down where it cannot be driven its dangerous and as for rolling the thing limit its speed and steering reaction so it cannot roll .
11th Nov 2020 11:04 am
Bazross
Member Since: 18 Apr 2020
Location: lans
Posts: 141
NoDo$h wrote:
Bazross wrote:
I'm really surprised this has not been addressed as it dangerous
More dangerous than not having stability control working? There are far more instances where that would be dangerous in the tens of thousands of D3 driving hours around the globe each day than there are instances of horse boxes being towed on motorways.
Yes more dangerous than not having stability control you clearly know nothing about horses .
A guy was kicked to death a few years back when his car broke down on the motorway and he had to removethe horses on the hard shoulder.
The stability control should never be linked to the brake lights going out its ridiculous.
I asked for some advice and not a lecture on safety with condescending remarkes either
Yeah, sure, I'm having a laugh. All those Disco 3s towing livestock everywhere every day, it's absolutely the main use for them. Not a minute goes by here in rural Dorset where I don't see a livestock trailer or horsebox on the back of a D3 - never see a D3 without one.
That was sarcasm if you're wondering.
As for no other car stopping when safety system fail, you can't have driven many new cars in the last 5-10 years.
So here's the summary:
You aren't going to get what you want, no matter how you dress it up.
I can't make it plainer than thatI know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
11th Nov 2020 11:12 am
Bazross
Member Since: 18 Apr 2020
Location: lans
Posts: 141
buns wrote:
Hi. Few years ago. I was in a dealer ship and overheard a lady discussing something very similar.
The technician advised her to book the car in and they could do something with the software.
Now I’m not sure what they did but they had an idea of something they could do.
I’m sure it was something to do with isolating the suspension.
Hope this helps
I'll take a look into this thanks.i can put up with it but when the wife is towing the horses its a worry to say the least .
If it was a real issue that caused it to shut down id say eell fair enough but an abs sensor or brake lights or a sorrow darting outside not good should have kept the disco 2
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down onto the stops.
