aja4x4
Member Since: 14 Apr 2019
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The locking tool that fits above the starter motor is more than capable of with standing the forces of undoing the crank bolt. The 3.0ltr bolt is far far tighter than the 2.7.
Although it take time to fit the crank locking pin it's worth it. The crank pulleys are not doweled to the crank when you fit the belt the pulley can move but the crank and cams are held in position with the timing pins. Once the bolt is tightened to the correct torque it will not move. Andrew
D3 2.7tdv6 2005
D4 3.0 SDV6 Commercial died and gone to LR heaven
D5 3.0 SDV6 HSE
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ronald.soak
Member Since: 29 Apr 2008
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Andrew, You are right. The essential thing is the relationship between crankshaft and camshafts rather than the pulley. I have edited my post.
Thanks
John
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| 7th Mar 2021 9:01 pm |
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Drakx
Member Since: 21 Jan 2021
Location: West Yorkshire
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aja4x4 wrote:The locking tool that fits above the starter motor is more than capable of with standing the forces of undoing the crank bolt.
While I’m not doubting what your saying, I only quoted what the manual said when I was doing mine, since I didn’t want to take that chance. So, I linked the locking tool for others like myself who didn’t want to take that chance.
Just for clarity when I say ‘pins’ I do mean the cam pins and flywheel pin as well.
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| 8th Mar 2021 8:26 am |
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cmb2020
Member Since: 08 Sep 2020
Location: Buckley, North Wales
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Updating I’ve been quote £350 plus vat for front cam belt with pulleys etc
Told the rear I one has never been seen to snap ever. And if it did it’s jot a write off just causes stop of vehicle.
So I think I’ll go for that as it works out probably cheaper with time factor in
Also said the 2005 D3 don’t have the oil pump breakage issue that’s the 06-07 models only
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| 8th Mar 2021 11:39 am |
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ronald.soak
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cmb2020 wrote:I was quoted something like £300 for it to be done at a garage. I’ll see what they say about the pump and recommendation vs. This £350 kit plus locking tools etc would be a good £200 more to do myself!
AF seem to be quoting £72 for a cambelt and tensioner, £103 to include idlers and their mounting bolts, (which IMO it is foolhardy not to change). and for £325 (EU4) both front and back belts, tensioners, bolts plus an oil pump, gasket and crankshaft seal. Sealant and a crankshaft bolt would be essential extras. All prices include vat but not any forum discount. Fitting the seal is easiest using special tools and these seem very expensive.
Pumps from 2005 have been known to fail, just less often than 2007 versions, but all pumps wear and become less able to supply a decent pressure at low revs.
Edit £350 plus vat, including idlers and mounting bolts seems a reasonable way for you to go.
If you do opt for a new pump make sure it is a decent, (FoMoCo), quality one (£144 inc vat less forum discount from AF). Search forum for why.
Good luck
John
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| 8th Mar 2021 3:31 pm |
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cmb2020
Member Since: 08 Sep 2020
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What would you say then just replace everything?
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| 8th Mar 2021 3:51 pm |
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ronald.soak
Member Since: 29 Apr 2008
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Sorry was editing.
Yes, if the budget runs to it new FoMoCo oil pump, rear belt and also water pump.
Admittedly the rear belt and water pump could be left for a later date but buying in the belt in the kit, and carrying it with you, seems a good option.
Water pumps do not last forever and yours has done 184k.
Consious of the expense and your time constraints.
I know that some at least of the independents carry oil and water pumps in case they are found to be needed when doing a belts change.
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| 8th Mar 2021 4:20 pm |
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aja4x4
Member Since: 14 Apr 2019
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When the rear belt snaps it can damage the wiring loom behind it and that's a very difficult repair.
Don't cut corners with your Disco Andrew
D3 2.7tdv6 2005
D4 3.0 SDV6 Commercial died and gone to LR heaven
D5 3.0 SDV6 HSE
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| 8th Mar 2021 5:21 pm |
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cmb2020
Member Since: 08 Sep 2020
Location: Buckley, North Wales
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Grr
Ok I’ll sus out what I’m in for with all that. Maybe take2 days off
Thanks
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| 8th Mar 2021 6:38 pm |
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itguy
Member Since: 30 Dec 2009
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I’d echo not cutting corners.
I’ve just had a full service with both cambelts, idlers, tensioners, aux belt and oil pump all done at Famous Four - great service and done in a day and a half. That did include all brakes stripped, cleaned etc too.
I’d love to know how many discos that have serious engine problems have had either things missed on their services or cheaper quality parts used. No idea to the answer, just made me wonder...
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| 8th Mar 2021 7:03 pm |
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aja4x4
Member Since: 14 Apr 2019
Location: Westbury
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Its not that bad after you have done the job but it seens a huge task when your doing it. Andrew
D3 2.7tdv6 2005
D4 3.0 SDV6 Commercial died and gone to LR heaven
D5 3.0 SDV6 HSE
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| 8th Mar 2021 7:03 pm |
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aja4x4
Member Since: 14 Apr 2019
Location: Westbury
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itguy wrote:I’d echo not cutting corners.
I’ve just had a full service with both cambelts, idlers, tensioners, aux belt and oil pump all done at Famous Four - great service and done in a day and a half. That did include all brakes stripped, cleaned etc too.
I’d love to know how many discos that have serious engine problems have had either things missed on their services or cheaper quality parts used. No idea to the answer, just made me wonder...
Just count all the ones in the scrap yards  Andrew
D3 2.7tdv6 2005
D4 3.0 SDV6 Commercial died and gone to LR heaven
D5 3.0 SDV6 HSE
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| 8th Mar 2021 7:04 pm |
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loanrangie
Member Since: 18 Jun 2017
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Just take your time, oil pump and front belt can be done in a day easy and i reckon i could do the lot in a day now.
Follow Mike's guide and you wont go wrong.
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| 9th Mar 2021 7:26 am |
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cmb2020
Member Since: 08 Sep 2020
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So to summarise, instead of paying someone 350 to do the front belt and pulleys... I should spend a little more and do the crank bolt, gasket, oil and water pumps and both belts for slightly more
What is the crank bolt and gasket please in this job? Do they fix the oil pump to the crank?
I’ll dig up mikes instructions
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| 9th Mar 2021 1:57 pm |
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ronald.soak
Member Since: 29 Apr 2008
Location: London
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The gasket comes with the oil pump but requires the use of a sealant.
The bolt fixes the crankshaft pulley to the crankshaft and is the only thing that stops the position of the pulley changing relative to the crankshaft. It is stretched during installation and should not be reused.
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| 9th Mar 2021 2:40 pm |
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