Salt is for whimps! Studded tyres is much more fun, provided your not driving with them at speed on tarmac, in which case they can be the same as driving on ice with normal tyres.
Back to the subject of salt though. I'd much prefer we got to where they are in Germany, Austria or other areas where there is snow and have sensible insurance companies that recognise the benefit of Winter rated tyres and don't require you to notify them that you have changed over to winter/summer tyres. Also making it mandatory to run winter tyres during November-March in countryside/mountain area. Then restrict gritting/salt to known blackspots, junctions and Motorways and penalise drivers without winter tures if they cause accidents, get stuck or otherwise cause a hazzard. That way we shouldn't run out of road salt, have less potholes, less corrosion and fewer plonkers on the road with ill-equipped vehicles when the conditions are poor.LRs are a fond memory, apart from the maintenance.
30th Dec 2014 8:50 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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But we don't run out of salt. Got fed up with being stuck in snow on main roads of Wee Eck's Republic of Jockistan and all you heard on the radio was how much salt they had in stock. I got hoarse shouting at the radio "it's no f g good in the depots, it needs to be on the roads".
Re I'll equipped vehicles, it was invariably artics and buses that shouldn't have been on the roads but felt keeping to a timetable was more important than blocking up the motorway network.
30th Dec 2014 8:56 pm
motolite
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DSL wrote:
When it melts and changes state, changes from solid to liquid. I'm an scientist, well was. Though most peeps dismiss geologists as not being scientists, but we know better.
PS Don't forget the colder the ice is the more grippy it is. Sheet ice at around 0c is the worst coz it's like driving on a wet ice cube. Same at -20c will be dry and give lots of grip.
See, learned something from Ice Road Truckers.
I think Sheldon would disagree with you on geology
I'll get my coat...
30th Dec 2014 10:12 pm
DiscoStu
Member Since: 09 Apr 2006
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richardch wrote:
Back to hill descent mode ??
Hill descent may help, but only if the wheels are turning. If the car is stopped and starts to slide then the car thinks it's standing still and won't operate the brakes - ans if all four wheels are stationary (rotationaly) it wouldn't help if it did.
Re I'll equipped vehicles, it was invariably artics and buses that shouldn't have been on the roads but felt keeping to a timetable was more important than blocking up the motorway network.
Yup, but same goes for them. Mandate use of winter tyres and/or chains LRs are a fond memory, apart from the maintenance.
I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
31st Dec 2014 12:16 am
Boisee
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Well done that man
Made me laugh that did
31st Dec 2014 9:03 am
richardch
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4 years ago I saw an articulated bus here coming into a roundabout and he just lost it, overshot and crashed uncontrollably into the other side.
Anyway no sliding this morning all is fine again, best really was just to leave it and wait
31st Dec 2014 10:27 am
Nodge68
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One thing I'm curious about is what happens the Transfer Box when the EPB is applied. It would make sense to me if this TB locked the centre diff when the EPB was on. This way the car would have 3 wheel brakes instead of 2. When I had my Ford Maverick, applying the handbrake when in 4WD gave it the best chance of holding on a slippery surface. 4WD also means 4 wheel handbrake on that simple 2WD/ 4WD transmission.
Anyone know if the Discovery does a similar thing?Freelander SE 2005 Auto.
D3 TDV6. Gone.
31st Dec 2014 4:44 pm
Robbie
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Nothing happens with the transfer box. The EPB (when stationary) only applies the rear drum brakes.
If the transfer box is in low range when the EPB is applied then the brakes are applied with additional force.
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So the EPB works on the rear wheels only.
How does low range give added EPB power? I thought EPB is applied to the wheels not the transmission.Freelander SE 2005 Auto.
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31st Dec 2014 5:28 pm
DaveS
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The parking brakes are applied to a set tension in the cables. I think that this tension is set higher when in low range.
Also, if the wheels turn when the parking brake is on then further tension is applied until it stops again.
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g good in the depots, it needs to be on the roads". 
