So all chargers are apparently not the same. 88 squids different too.
Thanks for finding that Mossy, I now understand why I was told this. Unfortunately that means that the two battery chargers in the garage are no use whatsoever.1996 Discovery 1 300TDI ES Biarritz Blue, sold
1999 Discovery 2 TD5 ES Rioja Red, sold
2002 Discovery 2 TD5 ES Buckingham Blue, sold
2005 Discovery 3 TDV6 HSE Adriatic Blue, sold
2006 Discovery 3 TDV6 HSE Zambezi Silver, sold
2011 Discovery 4 SDV6 HSE Nara Bronze, sold
2016 Volvo XC60 D5 AWD Lux Nav Twilight Bronze, sold
2020 Range Rover Evoque P250 First Edition, Nolita grey, sold
2023 Range Rover Evoque P300e Autobiography, Carpathian grey
26th Feb 2007 12:44 pm
WOODY179
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Mossy wrote:
Gareth on both fault occasions I have had the HDC error and transmission fault momentarily. I just assumed this was the low-battery condition caused by me.
I'll keep an eye on it
Mossy, thats how my electrical problems started. At first I got the messages momentarily at start up only, dealer had a look at it and found the battery had a low charge. They kept it in overnight and recharged the battery, was okay for a week and then messages came back. Dealer had another look at the battery - low charge again and was recharged, their testbook said that the battery was good and was recharging properly. Unfortunately a few days later battery died altogether.1996 Discovery 1 300TDI ES Biarritz Blue, sold
1999 Discovery 2 TD5 ES Rioja Red, sold
2002 Discovery 2 TD5 ES Buckingham Blue, sold
2005 Discovery 3 TDV6 HSE Adriatic Blue, sold
2006 Discovery 3 TDV6 HSE Zambezi Silver, sold
2011 Discovery 4 SDV6 HSE Nara Bronze, sold
2016 Volvo XC60 D5 AWD Lux Nav Twilight Bronze, sold
2020 Range Rover Evoque P250 First Edition, Nolita grey, sold
2023 Range Rover Evoque P300e Autobiography, Carpathian grey
26th Feb 2007 12:48 pm
Mossy
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Location: Hollyoaks, UK
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I'm guessing it was a warranty jobby?D3 HSE V8...
26th Feb 2007 12:55 pm
WOODY179
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Yes was fully covered by warranty, LRA jump started the car and followed me to the dealers where I left the car. They then took me to Enterprise Rent-a-car to pick up a Buckingham Blue 2007 D3 TDV6 SE. I had the rental car for a couple of days before I got my car back.1996 Discovery 1 300TDI ES Biarritz Blue, sold
1999 Discovery 2 TD5 ES Rioja Red, sold
2002 Discovery 2 TD5 ES Buckingham Blue, sold
2005 Discovery 3 TDV6 HSE Adriatic Blue, sold
2006 Discovery 3 TDV6 HSE Zambezi Silver, sold
2011 Discovery 4 SDV6 HSE Nara Bronze, sold
2016 Volvo XC60 D5 AWD Lux Nav Twilight Bronze, sold
2020 Range Rover Evoque P250 First Edition, Nolita grey, sold
2023 Range Rover Evoque P300e Autobiography, Carpathian grey
26th Feb 2007 12:59 pm
Mossy
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Cheers WoodyD3 HSE V8...
26th Feb 2007 1:04 pm
randalls
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Re: recharging a flat battery
Yousif wrote:
When my TDV6 S was container-shipped UK to Uganda with key left in ignition (on 0) it arrived 12 weeks later with completely flat battery. After some tense minutes watching locals improvise jump leads (with a wheel nut spanner held with bare hands!) the car started. I left it idling for an hour and have never had any trouble with it since. That was 18 months ago. Was a newish battery at the time.
Now that is a great flat battery story....not seen better 2007 TDV6 HSE 'Silver Lady'. With 'free' privacy glass LOL.
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26th Feb 2007 2:11 pm
10forcash
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Lead - calcium batteries require a higher voltage to charge at low (UK) temperatures, although they give a better capacity for an equivilent physical sized lead battery, they don't like deep discharge (>70% of full charge) hence the reason why the D3 has so much power management built in...
Starting current can be up to 450A so draining 30A or so out of a 90Ah battery for 2.5 hours will 'theoretically' give a non- start condition
The battery chargers for lead - calcium do charge at a higher voltage (up to 15.6VDC, temperature dependent)but at a lower current than an equivilent lead-acid battery
Discharged batteries have to be recharged before testing witha minimum of 24hrs charge, otherwise they will show as faulty regardless
The charger I have is this one
A second battery will help overcome a potential non- start condition but won't prevent the need to bench charge a deeply discharged primary battery
26th Feb 2007 3:32 pm
Mossy
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TFC
I knew with all this battery chatter it wouldnt be long before you arrived to shed some light on things - and I thank you!!!
Think I've sussed I've got a battery that wont hold its charge - £88 - £100+ for a charger seems a lot of £££ to find the battery is faulty and needs a replacement, which of course will be warranty. Is 2.5 hours a short time to have flattened it? This is what bothers me the most.
With fridge and HF install (hefty 25 amp draw at peek power) a dual battery might be wise. Now who know's about those????D3 HSE V8...
26th Feb 2007 3:41 pm
10forcash
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2nd Battery
check yer PM's - and no, 2.5 hours is about right for the loads you mention
26th Feb 2007 3:43 pm
Disco 3 RS
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I believe that the calcium batteries can be charged using a conventional battery charger however this will not hold it's charge very long!!
26th Feb 2007 3:54 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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My folks connect their D3 to a trickle charger when they go away for a few weeks. Dispite me telling them that they don't need to, they insist, "just in case". Will this do any harm??
26th Feb 2007 4:00 pm
Mossy
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Re: 2nd Battery
10forcash wrote:
check yer PM's - and no, 2.5 hours is about right for the loads you mention
Only had the car radio on when it went flat, but reckon that might be quite some draw too- few interior lights as well, but no fridge and I was off-air HF BBC-wise at the time. That's why I thought it odd.
Still I am indeed a fool for not keeping an eye on it!!!D3 HSE V8...
26th Feb 2007 4:08 pm
10forcash
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DSL wrote:
My folks connect their D3 to a trickle charger when they go away for a few weeks. Dispite me telling them that they don't need to, they insist, "just in case". Will this do any harm??
assuming it's a 'standard' battery charger, no - it's unlikely to put any meaningful charge into the battery at temperatures below 15 degrees C though
26th Feb 2007 4:24 pm
Alex08
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It does seem a bit unreasonable to get to an unusable state in such a short time. If the problem is not the current drain from using the accessories (which I would assume are much the same as in other cars which can last for longer) the issue must be with the starting current that is needed for the TDV6. Other manufacturers make big diesels that don't have such a problem with the battery so is there anything special about the TDV6 that makes it more difficult to start?
Or is the problem that the Lead Calcium battery is more 'resistant' to charge all of the time, even when running the car. Does this make it more difficult to fully charge when running and exacerbate the starting problems by having a part dischared battery most of the time, when you would expect to have a fully charged normal battery in a normal car.
If there is any truth in this then why use the Lead Calcium? Wouldn't a fully charged (and easily charged) Standard battery be better than a partially charged Lead Calcium? Looking through threads the batteries seem responsible for a variety of electrical issues related to low charge. Is the old technology better?
26th Feb 2007 4:30 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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It's one of these Porche "charge-o-mat" chargers, 12V 500mA output (according to mine). Meant for Porsches that rarely get out & about (according to the parts guy at the time)
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different too.
2007 TDV6 HSE 'Silver Lady'. With 'free' privacy glass LOL.
give a non- start condition
I am indeed a fool for not keeping an eye on it!!!
