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filo
Member Since: 09 Jul 2010
Location: here, down in the north, where the fog is
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i'm ending a 2L outboard 2 cycle oil can that seems to be jaso fc as stated on the label
i'm adding 200 ml oil each 80 litres diesel and now the car seems to be more quiet
usually i could hear the noise coming from the HP fuel pump (perhaps or not ) it was a sort of ROAR ROAR when the car was low revving
even if i see that 200ml is not enough i'm a bit afraid of the possible consequences and the noise is gone
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21st Jun 2012 5:19 pm |
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chalky
Member Since: 22 Aug 2008
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 3145
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I only put 250ml in each fill up, that way i get X4 applications per 1Litre bottle, although there is only 250ml i also can hear the audible difference, i filled up in belgium the other day and that stuff made my car clatter like an old Perkins traction engine. I had no 2T to add in and boy did it sound rough
Only dead fish go with the Flow !
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21st Jun 2012 5:24 pm |
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ronp
Member Since: 29 Nov 2006
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 15235
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bambi wrote:@ron p, yes it does matter, fully synthetic does not mix with the fuel, stick to jc mineral or semi synth, either one, but not fully synthetic and if you have a dpf not jb,
OK, whilst waiting for notice to collect my 2 x 1ltr Castrol from Asda, I popped into my local tool store and came accross a 5ltr Semi Synthetic 2T that states "surpasses Jaso FC requirements".
It was an unknown brand selling to me at under £16 x 5ltr
Now that seems a bargain - but will it be OK to use?
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21st Jun 2012 5:41 pm |
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chalky
Member Since: 22 Aug 2008
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 3145
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Ron, If it is Semi Synth and JasoFC then i would say YES ! Only dead fish go with the Flow !
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21st Jun 2012 5:51 pm |
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B16 KJR
Member Since: 10 Jul 2006
Location: Rosyth, Fife
Posts: 3005
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Quote:Can anybody estimate the increased Sulphur content by adding the 2T in the ratios discussed?
Err, no sorry
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21st Jun 2012 6:20 pm |
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chalky
Member Since: 22 Aug 2008
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 3145
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I found this while looking for your answer to sulpher in fuel
Although this bloke can't give you the answer either he can tell you what sulpher is doing in fuel and also the problems associated with not having it in there ?
It's mostly re gurgitated but he seems to have done some homework !
http://articles.mopar1973man.com/general-c...iesel-fuel Only dead fish go with the Flow !
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21st Jun 2012 7:43 pm |
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DSL
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Member Since: 11 May 2006
Location: Off again! :-)
Posts: 72904
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B16 KJR wrote:Quote:Can anybody estimate the increased Sulphur content by adding the 2T in the ratios discussed?
Err, no sorry
I thought the problem with S'efrican fuel was too much sulphur, does 2sO add more?
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21st Jun 2012 7:47 pm |
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Divlar
Member Since: 10 Sep 2008
Location: West Midlands
Posts: 221
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I have no technical knowledge on this matter but I guess adding the 2T in the ratios recommended is surely not enough to raise the Sulphur content past the threshold of 0.3% if the original ULSD is <0.001% (This would equate to x300). It would be interesting to know what content it is tho when people have experienced such notable improvements in performance.
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21st Jun 2012 10:38 pm |
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hgbosch
Member Since: 25 Oct 2010
Location: Pretoria and Zürich, Switzerland
Posts: 188
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Divlar wrote:I have no technical knowledge on this matter but I guess adding the 2T in the ratios recommended is surely not enough to raise the Sulphur content past the threshold of 0.3% if the original ULSD is <0.001% (This would equate to x300). It would be interesting to know what content it is tho when people have experienced such notable improvements in performance.
Hi Divlar
there are some misconceptions out there regarding sulphur's "lubricating" properties.
The problem with ULSD is that in the process of removing sulphur from the diesel, the lubricity of such diesel fuel is substantially reduced. This is also the main reason for the rise in HPFP and injector failures past 130'000-150'000km.
There seems to be a correlation between early failures and bad "stretched (with paraffine) diesel. These problems are endemic in Southern Africa north of its borders, and are also well documented in Eastern Europe.
The solution is the addition of Jaso-FC compliant 2sO in either mineral or semi-synthetic formulation. EX AFRICA SEMPER ALIQUID NOVI
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22nd Jun 2012 3:21 am |
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Russell
Member Since: 24 Aug 2007
Location: Kent
Posts: 10564
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Disco_Mikey wrote:yamaha-fan wrote:To all:
Def: yes, fill in 0,3 litre of 2-stroke oil with every tank filling. You will notice a surprisingly big difference in the smoothness of your engine running, the noise level is reduced, particularely when the engine is cold, and the fuel ecconomy will increase besides the described other advantages.
The 2-stroke oil I can recommend from my own experience (value for price) is the Liqui Moly 2-stoke oil, semi-synthetic, Product no. 1052 (blue plastic bottle). The use of 2-stroke oil is recommended also for diesel engines without DPF. If you "forget" to fill in the little dosis of 2-stroke oil - no problem. Just fill it in the next time.
Everybody who has used the 2-stroke oil in his/her diesel engine has confirmed that they could not have done better.
Evanessen: see above. Do not use fully synthetic 2-stroke oil, as too expensive, and you do not really need this high quality for your purpose. Semi-synthetic will do.
npinks: the use of 2-stroke oil in the diesel will under normal circumstances not be evident, as the 2-stroke oil will be absorbed by the diesel by forming an emulsion, which will not seperate.
As I have said, we have to undergo every 2 years a pollution control inspection by our TUV, and the emission values as measured are by far better with use of 2-stroke oil than without. I have not come accross any case in which a car manufacturer has waived its guarantee obligo for cars which have used this 2-stroke oil (off course, not knowing this).
Dismantling the test diesel engines after the 2-stroke oil test has revealed that such engines have been in an extroardinary clean and top condition. So why should any car manufacturer have any reason to waive any guarantees (for whatever technical reasons) if the concerned engine is otherwise in a clean and top condition.
Yamaha-Fan
There you go, looks like ANY 2-stroke oil will be fine, as long as it is low ash
I am even more confused now, Disco Mickey said use a mineral oil, this quote above says use semi synthetic, which is best please. MY17 D5 1st Edition Namib Orange
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22nd Jun 2012 2:08 pm |
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ronp
Member Since: 29 Nov 2006
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 15235
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Both are ok, but not synthetic.
from the other thread.
ronp wrote:Semi Synth is ok
From the man himself.
hgbosch wrote: The solution is the addition of Jaso-FC compliant 2sO in either mineral or semi-synthetic formulation.
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22nd Jun 2012 2:13 pm |
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Divlar
Member Since: 10 Sep 2008
Location: West Midlands
Posts: 221
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I will definitely give it a try when my supply of Redex runs out. (Bought loads when at £2 a bottle from Asda). Can't really say have ever noticed a difference adding the Redex tho other than I have never had any kind of smoke out the back?
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22nd Jun 2012 2:54 pm |
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al cope
Member Since: 08 Nov 2005
Location: Oldbury, WM
Posts: 10328
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well just stuck my first 500ml of Castrol jaso FC in a full tank, so will see what its like.
Al
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22nd Jun 2012 5:04 pm |
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bambi
Member Since: 10 Apr 2009
Location: south yorkshire
Posts: 2059
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Crawled under the d3 today guess what no dpf , only 2 lumps in the exhaust 1 cat , 2 silencer, so that means jaso fb is on the menu.
Ran out of oil , refilled with fuel (no oil added ), from empty, lost a little economy though fom 24mpg on the gauge over the last 3 tanks ( with 2 stroke) back to 22 with out.
I know the gauge reads wrong but for this experiment the gauge can be out but so long as I only refer to the gauge I'm ok
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1st Jul 2012 5:02 pm |
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