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Location: UK
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nope it will not as long as the alloys and rubber used would have proper load rating so best to use LR alloys as second set
18th Nov 2010 11:25 am
Ken
Member Since: 20 Feb 2006
Location: Here
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Personally I'd of gone for contintal cross contact winters
18th Nov 2010 11:25 am
mwhwsmith
Member Since: 14 Feb 2010
Location: Herts
Posts: 76
It strikes me that there isn't much pragmatism in this debate. A couple of observations;
1. The fines for not having winter tyres are much lower than the cost of the tyres. From a financial (not safety) perspective there is a strong arguement to 'risk being fined' on that basis alone. You can afford to be fined many times before you are worse off.
2. Winter tyres are safer than all season tyres in winter conditions. I was 'forced' to buy a second set of wheels for my last car (Alpina D3) when I discovered a couldn't get snow chains to fit the fancy alloys and so took the opportunity to buy winter tyres. Never used the chains - not in the Alps and and not in last years snow in UK (despite being in a front engine , real wheel drive esate car). The difference is unbelievable.
3. If you think there is a chance you will need to being putting chains on and off frequently then winter tyres reduce the likelihood you will need them - saving you the hassle, time and cold hands/knees.
I bought my winter tyres because I can drive safely in worse conditions without putting chains on and to be confident that the weather rather than the car will be the limiting factor when I look out of the window to decide if I want to drive somewhere.
Just my opinion . . .
18th Nov 2010 11:26 am
diskelly
Member Since: 23 Sep 2010
Location: Suffolk
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Exactly. I don't want to worried about road-holding when I'm in the middle of blizzard on a pitch black german highway at 11PM loaded with family and gear; like last year!
18th Nov 2010 11:29 am
grzesiul
Member Since: 11 May 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 6415
do not want to worry than slow down lol
18th Nov 2010 11:36 am
mwhwsmith
Member Since: 14 Feb 2010
Location: Herts
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'Slowing down' is wonderfully righteous and sanctimonious suggestion but not terribly helpful and also not always possible. (I know you probably don't mean it in that way - but many will be thinking that)
I have in the past spun my car while stopped - ie. a pulled up on an incline. The car stopped for 5-10 seconds and then slowly started to slide; it slid for 4-5 metres slowly rotating with nothing I could do but wait.
The car was on all season tyres and who know what would have been different on winter tyres.
18th Nov 2010 11:48 am
Ted Newman
Member Since: 09 Oct 2010
Location: SE London
Posts: 840
If you are on a gradient on sheet ice then I doubt if even winter tyres will help - studs perhaps but they seem to be illegal in most places these days - we used to drive all over Europe with studs in our tyres and apart from deep fresh snow they worked extremely well AND that was driving coaches with the lives of 40 or more people to worry about.
In deep fresh snow we fitted chains and then followed the "snow flyers" and if that failed then it was on to a train with the coach for the journey UNDER the pass.LR Discovery 4 XS pulling an Airstream 532 Caravan also own (since new) a 1996 MGF
18th Nov 2010 12:08 pm
Ted Newman
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Sorry about the double post - IPS having problems connecting!LR Discovery 4 XS pulling an Airstream 532 Caravan also own (since new) a 1996 MGF
18th Nov 2010 12:09 pm
ad15
Member Since: 14 Dec 2008
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pagoda wrote:
All very good points, I agree. And before bowing out, I would simply add that those countries in Europe used to dealing with bad weather (snow in Winter) tend to be good at keeping roads clear. I've spent a long time in Germany, and some time driving to ski trips, etc. I've never needed chains, and seldom have I driven on anything but well cleared roads. By all means buy snow tyres, my point is that for those driving on holiday down motorways or cleared major roads, or for those passing through, you're most unlikely to see any benefit. Then again, it could dump snow, in which case money well spent. Having a 4WD vehicle also makes a vast difference to handling and is far better.
But spend away!
you're STILL missing the point,,
they're NOT JUST snow tyres,,, they're WINTER tyres!! designed to operate better at temperatures UNDER 8 degrees!!
so that means even if it does not snow all winter in the UK ,,you will still enjoy substantially better grip with winter tyres than normal tyres...
one wife.......livid
18th Nov 2010 12:24 pm
pagoda
Member Since: 13 Aug 2009
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ad15 wrote:
pagoda wrote:
All very good points, I agree. And before bowing out, I would simply add that those countries in Europe used to dealing with bad weather (snow in Winter) tend to be good at keeping roads clear. I've spent a long time in Germany, and some time driving to ski trips, etc. I've never needed chains, and seldom have I driven on anything but well cleared roads. By all means buy snow tyres, my point is that for those driving on holiday down motorways or cleared major roads, or for those passing through, you're most unlikely to see any benefit. Then again, it could dump snow, in which case money well spent. Having a 4WD vehicle also makes a vast difference to handling and is far better.
But spend away!
you're STILL missing the point,,
they're NOT JUST snow tyres,,, they're WINTER tyres!! designed to operate better at temperatures UNDER 8 degrees!!
so that means even if it does not snow all winter in the UK ,,you will still enjoy substantially better grip with winter tyres than normal tyres...
Oh dear. Not missing the point at all, my friend. Simply stating that with M+S tyres, the Disco is still very well suited to occassional driving in environments that are colder than most parts of the UK. My point is that the car as it is with, say, Scorpions will be fine; no need to expend additional cash on a set of winter tyres. M+S are a good compromise for those of us that may drive for a few weeks a year max - at home and abroad - at lower temps.
I don't disagree with anything you've written (except the bit about me missing the point, of course). I accept entirely that they aren't snow tyres; I mis-spoke! Quite right to point that out.
I think the Wintracs are an excellent choice.PAGODA
The point being that its not that the tyres are particularly SNOW tyres but that they are WINTER tyres.
Winter tyres performing better below 7'C than summer or all season tyres that perform better over 7'C. Not just on snow, but on tarmac too. Better grip, breaking handling.
I can't believe this topic has gone for 7 pages. Mark.
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18th Nov 2010 6:09 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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and it'll probably go for another 7!!! Pointless really as my therapist tells me winter is cancelled this year!
18th Nov 2010 6:18 pm
NJF
Member Since: 05 Oct 2007
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My RRS winter tyre, Continental ContiCrossContact Winter. Think deck shoes - very good at gripping cold, wet, slippy surfaces, including but not only snow and ice covered surfaces:
My RRS summer tyre, Continental 4x4 SportContact. Very good at gripping warm dry surfaces:
Oooh, those top ones look familiar 8)I know it's not considered "kind" to say no these days, but no. Just no, ok? And if it's not ok, still no.
18th Nov 2010 7:37 pm
ad15
Member Since: 14 Dec 2008
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Posts: 4866
NJF wrote:
My RRS winter tyre, Continental ContiCrossContact Winter. Think deck shoes - very good at gripping cold, wet, slippy surfaces, including but not only snow and ice covered surfaces:
My RRS summer tyre, Continental 4x4 SportContact. Very good at gripping warm dry surfaces:
and the irony of having an RRS,,,, with winter tyres.... for the white powder sir.... one wife.......livid
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