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Well, the only way to judge that is to look at your casting, and if it looks like the weaker version, change it.
1st Jun 2012 10:28 am
Mr Kington
Member Since: 12 Dec 2011
Location: Scottish Borders
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I will pre-empt that they check the mount and try to get something in writing from them that it looks Ok ? will also offer them the option to change it for free while they are there. If it goes at a later stage then hopefully will have some re-course to them. It appears that part definately isnt fit for purpose and clearly something they shouldnt have got wrong..... agree with others that have mentioned this should be tracked to see how many cars are affected. Am I right in thinking that if this mount goes then the engine follows it straight after ?
as said in previous post i have no idea what the previuos 07 onward plates look like (theLR002465, LR007131, LR007798 )compared to the latest version LR013487
Wow, here's a whole lot of extra metal on that one Nick. The broken ones seem to have no reinforcement from the bolt holes to tensioner carrier.]Andy
Mine is a 55 plate and just bought £100 quids worth of extras from TLO to be replaced next week at the cam belt change with Stratstone Slough so not overly keen to have to buy more parts in-case they fail at a later stage. (great price from TLO to be fair) Any suggestions ? are the 55 plates seemingly ok so just leave it as is ?
please bear in mind the "front plate" as everyone is calling it is the oil pump, so its not just a while your in there can you change so they would not do it for free
also i really don't know whether the later 07 version would replace yours anywayTLO has left the building.......
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LR have definitely changed this oil pump plate because of the the failings on the 07 model's you can see straight away they have beefed up the plate around the cambelt tensioner mounting plate on the latest plates that nick has posted..
I for one will change this plate when I do my cam belts even if it takes three hours to change as three hours is cheaper of my time than a new engine... I am now because of this going to be doing my belts in the next couple of weeks ( not due until next year ) with a new plate so Nick you might need to order a few of them...
looking at the pdf for the oil pump change it is a straight forward job, they mention the oil seal to fit after the plate is in position, This is critical and the seal must not be twisted to much on insertion, also a insertion tool is a must.
We should not let this drop now we need to pool all the information we can and present this to LR and see if we can get anywhere with it.
We have legal peeps on the board don't we?..
Flack
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1st Jun 2012 11:17 am
Mr Kington
Member Since: 12 Dec 2011
Location: Scottish Borders
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Totally agree with Flack. Its scary and also worrying that this could end up totalling the engine. I am already worrying about the EPB, EGR and tailgate falling off. In addition the likely collapse of the euro, severe lack of recruitment in Investment Banking and Lampard being out. This could seriously tip me over the edge.......
1st Jun 2012 11:22 am
Disco_Mikey
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Flack wrote:
...I would not do it this way, I would fit the oil seal on the plate before I fit the plate then make sure there is plenty of oil around the seal lip and the crankshaft and fit them both at the same time...
I have no clue why as it's counter intuitive, but the seal fitting instructions state
Topix wrote:
CAUTION: Do not use any lubricant on the crankshaft front seal, special tools or the crankshaft. Failure to follow this instruction may result in damage to the vehicle.
Anyone know why that would be so important?Dr. Ian Malcolm:
"Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."
Transgenic tomato anyone?
1st Jun 2012 12:08 pm
stapldm
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Do not think of the oil pump swap as being an add on part to the cambelt change, actually the cambelt change is just one small part of the requirements for the change of the oil pump...
It's a big job...it's going to cost a lot... Dr. Ian Malcolm:
"Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."
Transgenic tomato anyone?
1st Jun 2012 12:37 pm
chalky
Member Since: 21 Aug 2008
Location: Yorkshire
Posts: 3145
Disco_Mikey wrote:
The issue started with 07MY
Its like waiting to win the lottery in reverse !
Not only can am i stuck with the EGR valves that i cannot blank i've now got to wait until my Engine Implodes !
Seems like a bit of a waste of time adding 2 Stroke Oil on the off chance that its not snake oil and that it will be the Elixr of eternal ife ?
Is there anything the following ?
With respect to another forum memebers engine demise ?
The old belts wear over time and as such thin out a bit and increase in length ever so slightly ?
With the addition of new belts and other ancilliaries evrything becomes toight ! agin ? increasing friction & pressure and torsional force ? resulting in a sheared off bracket ?
Just a thought Only dead fish go with the Flow !
1st Jun 2012 1:08 pm
SteveNorman
Member Since: 14 Oct 2005
Location: Somerset
Posts: 1145
Right, just to sum up:
Part no: 1348651,( still a currently sold part). upto 6a999999. No reported failures.
Part number: LR002465, (superceeded to LR013487) 7a000001 to 8a457085.... Has anyone had any fail in this chassis range?
Part number LR007131, ( superceeded to LR013487) 8a457086 to 9a508509.... I have checked & both failures I have seen fell in this chassis range.... 50-60,000 miles, never had a belt change. Both 57 plates
Part number LR007798 (superceeded to LR013487) 9a508510 to 9a510121.. Has anyone had any fail in this chassis range?
Part number LR013487 9a510122 on, inc 3.0. seems like the solution to 7a/8a/9a models?
Would be handy those that have had failures to look to see which part number range you fall into, then we will have a better idea of who has to worry!
regards
Steve
1st Jun 2012 3:48 pm
stapldm
Member Since: 11 Sep 2006
Location: Swine Town
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SteveNorman wrote:
I have checked & both failures I have seen fell in this chassis range.... 50-60,000 miles, never had a belt change. Both 57 plates
Steve, going to guess you put that comment against the wrong vin range....Dr. Ian Malcolm:
"Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."
Transgenic tomato anyone?
1st Jun 2012 4:04 pm
chalky
Member Since: 21 Aug 2008
Location: Yorkshire
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Well I'm in the 8A - 9A bracket on 64K !
Steve its interesting that you say it appears to be 50 - 60k miles
It looked to me that these occurrences were happening shortly after belt change ?
I noticed another thread appearing re bolt tho this time ?
It looks likely that we haven't seen the last of this !Only dead fish go with the Flow !
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