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| Brand & Ross |
35%
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| The BBC |
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| The Pole dancing grandaughter |
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| Manuel |
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countrywide
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Snowy wrote:Agreed VA, she hasn't asked for these things to be said about her. But before any of this, she says she is an Extreme Slut which acording to the dictionary is:
But it was the grandfather they called, I don't think it would have been quite the issue it is if they had called her.
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TazDaz
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Hobgoblin wrote:Maybe, but I bet it won't be anywhere near what that twunt Johnathon Woss gets, how the hell can the BBC justify £18,000,000 of licence payers money on that pillock 
Oh come on ... it's ONLY £6 million per year - I'm sure we all think he's worth that
Did I just type ^^^^^^ that?
I need to tale some more of my meds I think 
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| 29th Oct 2008 5:50 pm |
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stapldm
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These 17,998 complainants remind me of a bus crash in New York. When it crashed there were only a handful of people on board but by the time the police had arrived it was packed with people complaining of whiplash injuries 
With relation to the way this has been blown out of all proportion, I can only assume it's either a very slow news week (has Mugabe stopped being a total  ?), or the BBC is looking for an easy excuse to bring back Ross's salary into the coffers.
I haven't heard the material, and feel no need to do so; however it's my understanding that this show went out after the watershed and was known to be hosted by presenters known for the riske and blue material. Oh how shocked I am that they strayed over the invisible edge of safe broadcasting. I support free choice as well as free speech; if you don't like it, change channels.
My biggest source of concern here is with the 17,998 utter morons who were told to jump by the newspapers and willingly did so; a true reflection of how utterly our society has become, driven as it now is by people with more teeth than brain cells  The spin factories are in control, have no doubt. Dr. Ian Malcolm:
"Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."
Transgenic tomato anyone?
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| 29th Oct 2008 6:03 pm |
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DG
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Stapldm  ...but you are wrong 
...it's now up to 27,000 complaints 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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| 29th Oct 2008 6:11 pm |
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Very Annoyed
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Quote:Oh how shocked I am that they strayed over the invisible edge of safe broadcasting. I support free choice as well as free speech; if you don't like it, change channels.
That's true but if something is fundamentally wrong it should be addressed. If things are not addressed then what becomes the accepted increases until god knows what we will permit. Loving the power of the TDV8!
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| 29th Oct 2008 6:14 pm |
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Snowy
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countrywide wrote:But it was the grandfather they called, I don't think it would have been quite the issue it is if they had called her.
I understand your point Andy, but with a grandaughter acting the way she does, shouldn't he expect it? What is the issue, that they discussed that Brand had shagged his grandaughter or that they left a message on his phone? What's the difference? It was on air anyway, people heard it, so I think the phone message is a little bit irrelevant. Ross and Brand shouldn't have done it, they should say sorry, and everyone gets on with life.....  The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us yet.
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| 29th Oct 2008 6:14 pm |
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stapldm
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DG wrote:...it's now up to 27,000 complaints
I don't know whether to cry or emigrate  Dr. Ian Malcolm:
"Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."
Transgenic tomato anyone?
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| 29th Oct 2008 6:16 pm |
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CY
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Looks like both his Friday night TV show and his Radio Show have been pulled...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7698417.stm 2007 Porsche Boxster (987) 2.7
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| 29th Oct 2008 6:16 pm |
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stapldm
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Very Annoyed wrote:That's true but if something is fundamentally wrong it should be addressed. If things are not addressed then what becomes the accepted increases until god knows what we will permit.
I'm not going to agree or disagree on this one VA; this censorship area for me is definitely grey and not black and white.
I disagree that censorship should be the role of a select few as I'd have no input into their selection. Therefore my only remaining option is that censorship should be driven by the masses. Only the (real; not media led ) majority should decide on the standards; Using this thread's topic as an example; If everyone who listened to the show objected to the material, they should cease listening to the show. How long would the BBC employ a presenter with zero listeners? And that's partly my issue; with our now media driven populace demanding more and more celebrity dirt, there's no longer a realistic platform for those who consider themselves part of the moral high ground as they are dismissed out of hand as being irrelevant. I bet listening figures for the show double.
I stopped purchasing newspapers ten years ago because I objected to the fact that they carried dross and gossip instead of considered news. So far they haven't suffered a jot 'cos I'm a definite financially insignificant minority. Can I realistically stand up and demand they stop publishing? No, the majority has spoken and they appear to want more dross and gossip. All I can do is my bit, and hope that I can debate people into considering their own positions on the views I hold dear.
I do however reserve the right not to be happy with my options  Dr. Ian Malcolm:
"Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should."
Transgenic tomato anyone?
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| 29th Oct 2008 6:43 pm |
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TazDaz
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latest ....
Russell Brand has resigned from his Radio 2 programme following prank calls he made with Jonathan Ross to actor Andrew Sachs.
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| 29th Oct 2008 6:45 pm |
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Hobgoblin
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I think Russell Brand should apologise and Jonathan Woss should be sacked, only because I've never liked the pompous T t I'm not as good as I once was........but I'm as good once as I ever was.
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| 29th Oct 2008 6:45 pm |
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countrywide
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stapldm wrote:I'm not going to agree or disagree on this one VA; this censorship area for me is definitely grey and not black and white.
I think you missed the basis of the complaint for most people, it was the fact that they left messages on an individuals answer machine. If it had just been comments made on air I think it would have passed with no complaint as he had the option not to listen. What people find unacceptable is that offensive remarks were made on somebodies home answer machine.
I am sure you wouldn't appreciate messages being left on your machine or a family members and then playing them back without expecting it. After all he didn't choose to listen to them like the listeners who tuned into the Jonathon Ross show nor did he use his grandaughter to gain publicity.
You say you have no wish to listen to the audio, but by not knowing the content automatically defending it as acceptable is really no different to the 18K people for saying it is not acceptabe.
I agree with VA, if we continue to let standards slip there won't be any left.
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| 29th Oct 2008 7:10 pm |
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blue meanie
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Andrew Sachs? seems like a nice old geezer and he was funny a hundred years ago in Flowery Tw4ts but it's all nonsense and had ITN/ITV not picked it up and blown it up out of all proportion then we would have heard nothing about it regardless of whether the way the Beeb is set up and funded is correct in this day and age then it all smacks of a small group of 'bitter and probably turned down at some point by the BBC' media types merely out for a bit of vengance as far as I can see. and theeeeennn......???
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| 29th Oct 2008 7:13 pm |
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DG
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countrywide wrote:I agree with VA, if we continue to let standards slip there won't be any left.
Not Mary VA Whitehouse
The standards are ever evolving ....they have always slipped and will continue to slip regardless of this episode  21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
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