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DG wrote:
LT wrote:
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I think if more people stopped measuring window aperture mm, window rake angles, non-existent views of junctions, worrying about rear end that they rarely look at and even when you do it does become a non-event .....and just bloody drove the damn thing ....they would appreciate it far more of as decent motor than just being able to offer a negative armchair opinion upon.
Crass, patronising assumptions, like those above, really don't help.
I was generalising in one passionate paragraph ...it's not all about you
Your "generalising" is your opinions. It's really not it all about you though
Am I alone in preferring the styling, driving position, visibility, load space, and split tail gate of the D4 to that of the D5? I suspect not. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
17th May 2018 2:55 pm
Red Merle
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Definitely on your own there LT.
At somewhere in the £47-67,000 region, you’re going to have to make some serious compromises. After all, you can’t expect good looks and practicality within such a modest budget. Land Rover’s never managed to provide all of that for a penny less than £60,000 before.
Oh, hang on a minute 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
17th May 2018 3:24 pm
jimbg
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You have to love it really, the thread started yesterday and is now 5 pages long!!
Mostly the same old stuff about why one is better than the other, I have changed my mind.......let's keep it open as it is obviously providing some sort of much needed therapy
17th May 2018 3:27 pm
LT
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@RedMerle
Price wise, the run out D4 Landmark was a relative bargain, at least compared to the full list price of the very similar HSE Luxury that it replaced.
I do prefer the twin turbo 3.0 in the D4 (especially the EU6), to that of the single turbo in the D5. I find it a smoother power delivery. That could be the mapping rather than the actually engine/turbo I suppose, but either way, the D5 delivery felt a bit more like the D3 used to. Slightly laggy, then woosh it takes off. Did you notice this on the D5 you've been driving early in the week?
I'll have a D5 for 2-3 days next month, so I can refresh my memory then. I don't know what engine it will have though.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
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17th May 2018 3:39 pm
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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So if D5 threads would be banned, does that include this thread. Similarly if the branch falls in the forest and no-one hears it did it actually fall.
17th May 2018 3:41 pm
DG Site Moderator
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LT wrote:
Am I alone in preferring the styling, driving position, visibility, load space, and split tail gate of the D4 to that of the D5? I suspect not.
The D4, for all it's glory, is dead. For all of the individual preferences, it's styling, driving position, visibility, load space, and split tail gate will not be replicated in the form desired, ever again......the mourning for some will be perpetual.
Maybe have a word with Jim Ratcliffe and he can cobble something together for you
17th May 2018 3:47 pm
DG Site Moderator
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LT wrote:
I do prefer the twin turbo 3.0 in the D4 (especially the EU6), to that of the single turbo in the D5. I find it a smoother power delivery.
Of course, if you were up to speed then you would know that the D5 3.0 V6 has just been upgraded to 306bhp twin turbo
17th May 2018 3:51 pm
J77
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Must admit I found the D5 TD6 very hesitant at times. Hopefully the SD6 306hp for the 19MY is better.23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
17th May 2018 3:51 pm
Red Merle
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Location: Liskeard
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LT: It was an odd thing driving the V6 again. It was so similar to that in the D4, but it kept hunting between gears at slow speeds and any need for even medium acceleration was met with a pause, a downshift and then a surge of acceleration. To drive it nice and smoothly I needed to have a feather light right foot. It was almost reminiscent of (but not as bad as) the turbo lag in an early petrol turbo (Saab, anyone?).
I wondered if I’d just forgotten what they were like and then remembered finding exactly the same thing stepping out of the D4 SDV6 and into a FF TDV6 on a test drive. The torque curves are very similar on paper, but the drive just isn’t the same. Really curious, but certainly noticeable the very first time you pull out of a junction and merge into moving traffic.2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
17th May 2018 3:52 pm
Red Merle
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DG wrote:
LT wrote:
I do prefer the twin turbo 3.0 in the D4 (especially the EU6), to that of the single turbo in the D5. I find it a smoother power delivery.
Of course, if you were up to speed then you would know that the D5 3.0 V6 has just been upgraded to 306bhp twin turbo
Why did they wait, I wonder? Can you confirm how much it’s added to the price?
Is it the same engine as the RRS?2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: 2 x FL2 as “second” cars 🙄
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
17th May 2018 3:55 pm
DG Site Moderator
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Yes, it is the same and it is £2.7k over the 2.0 240, which has been retuned down from 500Nm to 430Nm.
17th May 2018 4:04 pm
Pelyma
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DG wrote:
LT wrote:
I do prefer the twin turbo 3.0 in the D4 (especially the EU6), to that of the single turbo in the D5. I find it a smoother power delivery.
Of course, if you were up to speed then you would know that the D5 3.0 V6 has just been upgraded to 306bhp twin turbo
It makes your claims that you don’t bait rather hollow. 🤔DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
17th May 2018 4:15 pm
Moo D3 Decade
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Interesting. Why was the 240 detuned?D4 HSE EU6 (Known as Jeeves)
New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!) Sold
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
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17th May 2018 4:16 pm
adam
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Pelyma wrote:
DG wrote:
LT wrote:
I do prefer the twin turbo 3.0 in the D4 (especially the EU6), to that of the single turbo in the D5. I find it a smoother power delivery.
Of course, if you were up to speed then you would know that the D5 3.0 V6 has just been upgraded to 306bhp twin turbo
It makes your claims that you don’t bait rather hollow. 🤔
Ha! - probably the single most important reason to close the D5 on D3/D4 site
17th May 2018 4:27 pm
LT
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DG wrote:
LT wrote:
I do prefer the twin turbo 3.0 in the D4 (especially the EU6), to that of the single turbo in the D5. I find it a smoother power delivery.
Of course, if you were up to speed then you would know that the D5 3.0 V6 has just been upgraded to 306bhp twin turbo
Progress, that's good news indeed. Just a few more modifications and some design changes and it might become desirable. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
2017 FFRR SDV8 Autobiography (now semi-retired)
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I do prefer the twin turbo 3.0 in the D4 (especially the EU6), to that of the single turbo in the D5. I find it a smoother power delivery. That could be the mapping rather than the actually engine/turbo I suppose, but either way, the D5 delivery felt a bit more like the D3 used to. Slightly laggy, then woosh it takes off. Did you notice this on the D5 you've been driving early in the week?
