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Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
Posts: 15496
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Driving home from Maidenhead yesterday I saw 6 and a Velar. DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
Porsche Cayenne V8 Diesel S
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7438
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While the D5 may have finally driven me away from the Disco camp, I am very grateful for its effect on D4 residuals  I've followed the value of mine very carefully over the last 6 months and (despite adding 2,500 to 3,000 miles per month) the used value has barely declined at all - not bad for a newly obsolete car 
Going back to the question originally asked in the thread, the other things (that haven't previously been mentioned) that have driven me away are:
1. The lack of split tailgate (the electric plank only serves to underline Gerry McG's complete lack of understanding of why people bought this car!)
2. The lack of glass area and the extremely high waste line for the poor dog stuck on the boot.
3. The rubbish view out of the back window and paper clip sized rear wiper with a very limited sweep.
4. The visibility problems from the combination of very thick C and D pillars.
5. The impossibility of seeing the two front corners of the car from the driver's seat.
6. The high boot floor (though, to be fair, the FF has the same design fault).
7. The lack of an adaptive Xenon option.
8. Having misjudged the market, there must be a big question mark over residuals for the 5.
9. Minimal rear light visibility when the tailgate is open (rather you than me when unloading on a busy roadside at night).
10. The dire roof rack options (again, to be fair, a fault shared with the FF).
11. A substantially increased turning circle.
12. A sunroof that's too far back to be of much use to the driver.
13. And now, the killer blow - no greens and no reds!  2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: FL2 as a second car
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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| 16th Sep 2017 6:03 am |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
Posts: 13099
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On my daily travels up and down the A34, I see lots of LR-loaded transporters, presumably going to the docks. Someone must be buying the D5 because there are a lot on these transporters. It makes me wonder if the D5 has been designed for foreign markets (the US presumably). I still see some D5s being driven on the road but the figure isn't ramping up. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
2012 RRS SDV6
2008 RRS TDV8
"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 16th Sep 2017 7:52 am |
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Mr Kington
Member Since: 12 Dec 2011
Location: Scottish Borders
Posts: 1549
 
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Same as Mikey. Only seen one locally in the Borders, rest on lorries on the A1. James favourite hobby is writing in the third person.
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| 16th Sep 2017 7:58 am |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7438
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Joining in the thread creep from "reasons not to buy", to "how many I've see on the road", it's interesting that here in Cornwall and Devon, the Land Rover of choice seems to be the D3 and D4, with D5's a very rare sight.
However, while driving up the M5 and M4 to Basingstoke last week, there are noticeably more Range Rovers than we have, but there were quite a few more D5's too. Still not that many though. Sorry if this doesn't help the OP though!  2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: FL2 as a second car
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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| 16th Sep 2017 8:51 am |
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Moo
D3 Decade
Member Since: 13 Aug 2010
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 13906
 
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Red Merle wrote:While the D5 may have finally driven me away from the Disco camp, I am very grateful for its effect on D4 residuals I've followed the value of mine very carefully over the last 6 months and (despite adding 2,500 to 3,000 miles per month) the used value has barely declined at all - not bad for a newly obsolete car
Going back to the question originally asked in the thread, the other things (that haven't previously been mentioned) that have driven me away are:
1. The lack of split tailgate (the electric plank only serves to underline Gerry McG's complete lack of understanding of why people bought this car!)
2. The lack of glass area and the extremely high waste line for the poor dog stuck on the boot.
3. The rubbish view out of the back window and paper clip sized rear wiper with a very limited sweep.
4. The visibility problems from the combination of very thick C and D pillars.
5. The impossibility of seeing the two front corners of the car from the driver's seat.
6. The high boot floor (though, to be fair, the FF has the same design fault).
7. The lack of an adaptive Xenon option.
8. Having misjudged the market, there must be a big question mark over residuals for the 5.
9. Minimal rear light visibility when the tailgate is open (rather you than me when unloading on a busy roadside at night).
10. The dire roof rack options (again, to be fair, a fault shared with the FF).
11. A substantially increased turning circle.
12. A sunroof that's too far back to be of much use to the driver.
13. And now, the killer blow - no greens and no reds!
14. Its grossly over priced for a car that offers less than the D3/4 New Defender L663 110 SE (known as Noddy!)
Sold Volvo XC90 R-Design (known as Basil)
Sold - D4 HSE (Known as Gerty)
No longer the Old Buses original owner 
231,000 miles and counting
05 S manual owned from March 2005
D4 Face lifted
Still original injectors and turbo
V8 Front brakes
BAS Remap, Allisport Intercooler and deCat
EGRs blanked
T-Max split charge
Hanibal Expeedition rack
Prospeed ladder
Duratrac tyres
IID BT
BAS FBH control
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| 16th Sep 2017 8:56 am |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7438
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Sorry Moo, forgot that one!  2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: FL2 as a second car
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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| 16th Sep 2017 9:06 am |
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crews control
Member Since: 18 Mar 2007
Location: Dorset
Posts: 5011
 
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15. Driving it makes you look like a fashion victim ! 2005 D3 HSE
2011 D4 Landmark
2016 D4 HSE Lux
2017 Ford Tourneo VR46
Club Waitomo
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| 16th Sep 2017 9:15 am |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7438
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And 16.... ?  2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: FL2 as a second car
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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| 16th Sep 2017 10:13 am |
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Avalon
Member Since: 01 Apr 2013
Location: Bavaria
Posts: 83
 
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#16: Father in law's wheelchair does not go upright into the boot of a D5. That would be the end of numerous family trips. Laying it flat would prevent the use of seat #6 and leave hardly any space even when that seat is not needed. Disco4 V6 SC HSE (MY2014)
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| 16th Sep 2017 12:03 pm |
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Ja92mie
Member Since: 16 Sep 2014
Location: Newquay
Posts: 1259
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Having just spent 4 days driving round in a D5. I don't think it's that bad, would I miss the split tailgate... probably but I think the plank will be ok. The infotainment screen kept freezing on the one I had which I complained about when I returned it.
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| 16th Sep 2017 12:40 pm |
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J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
Posts: 6261
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Red Merle wrote:While the D5 may have finally driven me away from the Disco camp, I am very grateful for its effect on D4 residuals I've followed the value of mine very carefully over the last 6 months and (despite adding 2,500 to 3,000 miles per month) the used value has barely declined at all - not bad for a newly obsolete car
Going back to the question originally asked in the thread, the other things (that haven't previously been mentioned) that have driven me away are:
1. The lack of split tailgate (the electric plank only serves to underline Gerry McG's complete lack of understanding of why people bought this car!)
2. The lack of glass area and the extremely high waste line for the poor dog stuck on the boot.
3. The rubbish view out of the back window and paper clip sized rear wiper with a very limited sweep.
4. The visibility problems from the combination of very thick C and D pillars.
5. The impossibility of seeing the two front corners of the car from the driver's seat.
6. The high boot floor (though, to be fair, the FF has the same design fault).
7. The lack of an adaptive Xenon option.
8. Having misjudged the market, there must be a big question mark over residuals for the 5.
9. Minimal rear light visibility when the tailgate is open (rather you than me when unloading on a busy roadside at night).
10. The dire roof rack options (again, to be fair, a fault shared with the FF).
11. A substantially increased turning circle.
12. A sunroof that's too far back to be of much use to the driver.
13. And now, the killer blow - no greens and no reds!
1) Not everyone bought the D4 based on the tailgate
2) You would need to have a French bulldog for it not to see out
3) Rear wiper does a perfect job.
4) cause no problems
5) Easy to judge
6) Not a fault with the D5 but the platform it's built on, as you've pointed out, though the D5 rear can be lowered further than access height.
7) Why adaptive xenons when it has a adaptive LEDs 
8) No question mark
9) 2 LED lights in the tailgate that shine down on the Driver, taillights clearly visible
10) Again not a fault with the D5 but LR
11) I wouldn't say substantially
12) wouldn't know, don't like them
13) Again not a fault with the D5 but LR 23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
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| 16th Sep 2017 5:40 pm |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7438
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If I'd bought one, I'd probably be fighting hard for the D5 corner too! But, while you nearly every point, they are still the reasons why I and others have now bought elsewhere, so I feel that makes them valid enough
PS: When you lower the boot to the lowest possible setting on the '5, using all of the options available (including the option to dip the back alone), the loading height is exactly the same as the '4 on it's middle setting. This may not be vital to you, but for loading heavy equipment, or for a 9 year old dog to get in and out, it's critical. 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: FL2 as a second car
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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| 16th Sep 2017 5:58 pm |
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J77
Member Since: 03 Mar 2008
Location: Fife
Posts: 6261
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Not fighting it's corner, criticism where criticisms due but at least 4 of your criticisms are nonsense and others can be applied to the FFRR as you've pointed out. 23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
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| 16th Sep 2017 6:13 pm |
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Red Merle
Member Since: 30 Aug 2014
Location: Liskeard
Posts: 7438
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I will listen to logical argument, but "nonsense" is not really an argument! 
The FFRR was never claimed to be "every bit as practical as the Disco 4" (it isn't), so these things can be allowed for, but the D5 was - so it can be critically judged as such 2011 - 2015: 3 x FL2
2015 - 2017: 2 x D4
2017 to date: FFRR SDV8
2023 to date: FL2 as a second car
2021 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200
2022 to date: Hinckley built ‘14 Triumph Trophy 1200 & sidecar!
(One of only two known to exist in the world!)
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| 16th Sep 2017 6:15 pm |
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