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BLFarrar wrote:
"Cubic capacity & access to that via a tailgate that allows access.....+ a split tailgate...(lets wait & see if this abandoned on the eventual FFRR replacement (five or six years off)"
...higher loading height (the very lowest possible loading height on the 5 is the same as the standard position loading height on the 4), several inches missing off the height of the boot aperture, narrow slit of a rear window with no lowered rear window glass for the dog to look out of, no stadium seating, etc. etc.
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22nd Jan 2017 4:28 pm
Russell
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I thought the loading height was actually lower as it can be lowered further for better access.MY17 D5 1st Edition Namib Orange
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22nd Jan 2017 4:31 pm
Red Merle
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I have measured it - the very lowest height that it's possible to lower the boot to in the 5 is exactly the same height as the 4 is before the 4's suspension is lowered!
LR forgot to mention that when they were telling us all about this fabulous new feature
A lot of this post typifies why the Steam Engine wasn't invented....... hang on !
We are talking about a new version of an existing model of car...
To many on here important as the next step or the eventual replacement vehicle....many thought would be an incremental improvement on what needs to be improved as opposed to a step change to a different genre.....
It's not only about load hieght but the actual volume & the proportions of this.
Hugely important to those who need & use this feature......the U in utility.
Most vehicle makers alter the details of a model - to take existing customers with them whilst attracting new ones + have a differentiated range in terms of size, features & pricesBREXIT - done properly.
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22nd Jan 2017 4:39 pm
petersw
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Quote:
We are talking about a new version of an existing model of car...
I know. Having sat in it & had a long look around.
fair enough - if it suits you.
It doesn't (& wont) serve my current or future needs.
it isn't an incremental improvement, its in a price bracket that isn't justified (in comparison to where the original D3 sat in comparison to FFR, RRS & many other makers offerings.
I looked & considered all before making my choice.BREXIT - done properly.
Right now ...We need Government - not Politics
Save the Dipstick Flagbearer-keep it simple, less likely to fail campaign-agenda items:Starting Handles, Acetylene Lamps.
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Jag XK-but sadly no DIPSTICK...HUGE design fault
FL2 has DIPSTICK..."real comfort in rear seats"
VW Golf wondermobile (?)..has real DIPSTICK
Morris Minor..original DIPSTICK technology..and a real KEY.
22nd Jan 2017 5:42 pm
J77
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The price was always going to go up due to its new aluminium construction.
But my entry level D3 was less than £30k but my entry level D4 was £42k before options and entry level D5 is less than £44k, granted it only has 2.0 engine, so has the price really went up that much?23.5MY Defender 90 X-Dynamic SE D250 MHEV Pangea Green
22nd Jan 2017 6:02 pm
petersw
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Ok, everyone's points taken on board
I will wait & see what the motoring press have to say.Peter
22nd Jan 2017 6:14 pm
petersw
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Quote:
I thought the loading height was actually lower as it can be lowered further for better access.
Yes.
I measured it' at least 1 1/2 inches lower than MY D4 when fully lowered. ( my figures )
That why Landrover say it. If not I'm sure the press would pick them up for lying.Peter
22nd Jan 2017 6:37 pm
Russell
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I also thought it was actually a lot lower when i played with it in the show room and at the factoryMY17 D5 1st Edition Namib Orange
MY15 D4 HSE Kaikoura Stone
MY12 D4 HSE Nara Bronze Sold and gone
MY11 D4 HSE Stornaway Grey Sold and gone
D3 S spec Silver Sold and gone
Tow bar, full length roof bars, side steps, tow bar storage unit, surround camers.
D4 camera club
22nd Jan 2017 6:39 pm
petersw
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I also have more of my own measurements.
Most which show the D5 to have bigger load area (important to me)
Hard to exactly compare but open boot D5 is wider.
Have not "published" my measurements because people on this forum, ridiculed me.
Now I wait the motoring press. Peter
22nd Jan 2017 6:48 pm
lespes
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Re: D5- my wish list of D4 shortfalls to be addressed
Red Merle wrote:
lespes wrote:
So great car that the D4 is, it has a few niggles that I would like to see improved on the D5.
No particular order of relevance, except no1.
1: To be able to drive through a puddle without an avalanche of water hitting the windscreen and obscuring your view. Yes could drive much slower but when the wifes Swift can cope with much deeper puddles at sensible speeds and still not throw all the water onto your screen, surley we can expect a true 4x4 to cope with handling such hazards.
Your wife's swift is able to stop the "avalanche of water hitting the windscreen and obscuring your view" because it has a very low front valance. All water that is driven upwards and forwards by the front wheels, which is able to escape the wheel arches, hits the inside of the front valance, it then falls to the ground again.
On a proper off roader, such as yours, there is a great deal of clearance under the front valance. This allows forward splashing water to pass underneath, it is then driven back by wind pressure and much of it is driven on to the bonnet and windscreen. To help out, Land Rover fit plastic spats under the front valance; these compromise ground clearance, but catch some of this water (my spats live in the garage, which is where they really should reside!).
A "true 4x4" should behave this way, fake ones and road cars are unlikely to.
I have removed said plastic spats to see difference none made the water comes up and over from side, have also tried hanging rubber flaps at front similat to those fitted on lorries, no improvment.
Shoguns dont do it! well its nearly a true 4x4 D4 Landmark MY16 Santorini Black THE LAST
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Discovery D2 TD5 Facelift MY Red Gone Missed!
Discovery D2 TD5 Cobalt Blue: Gone Missed!
Discovery D1 Auto Oxford Blue Not missed at all!
Discovery D1 Avalon Blue First LR! missed!
Now demoted to a VW
22nd Jan 2017 7:31 pm
lespes
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Re: D5- my wish list of D4 shortfalls to be addressed
BLFarrar wrote:
lespes wrote:
Sorry to target just one item in your list....
But....
What possible use are these chairs providing ?
For the rare time they will or may be used....they will just take up the already compromised space.....
The rest of the list are to me just wishes.....not actual needs for me
I certainly would use these on a regular basis, would help with back ache when sat for long periods on tailgate and certainly many in the equestrian world would find them a useful addition, not really a crit just a wishful thinking.D4 Landmark MY16 Santorini Black THE LAST
D4 HSE MY12 Marmais Teal: Gone. Missed a lot!
Freelander 2 SD HSE MY11 Silver:Thankfully gone.
D4 HSE MY11 Silver: Gone missed !
Range Rover Sport MY06 HSE Buck Blue: Gone missed!
Discovery D2 TD5 Facelift MY Red Gone Missed!
Discovery D2 TD5 Cobalt Blue: Gone Missed!
Discovery D1 Auto Oxford Blue Not missed at all!
Discovery D1 Avalon Blue First LR! missed!
Now demoted to a VW
22nd Jan 2017 7:34 pm
lespes
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Re: D5- my wish list of D4 shortfalls to be addressed
DSL wrote:
DG wrote:
lespes wrote:
D5- my wish list of D4 shortfalls to be addressed
I hate to break this to you but it's already been designed and is in production
And we thought it was all just a bad dream.
Ok slow on the uptake though my thoughts relate to the present modeland my percieved short fallings. Have not seen the dream / nightmare yet and havent studied it in depth, but some issues looked to have been improved, so my previous memo to Posh must of been acted upon D4 Landmark MY16 Santorini Black THE LAST
D4 HSE MY12 Marmais Teal: Gone. Missed a lot!
Freelander 2 SD HSE MY11 Silver:Thankfully gone.
D4 HSE MY11 Silver: Gone missed !
Range Rover Sport MY06 HSE Buck Blue: Gone missed!
Discovery D2 TD5 Facelift MY Red Gone Missed!
Discovery D2 TD5 Cobalt Blue: Gone Missed!
Discovery D1 Auto Oxford Blue Not missed at all!
Discovery D1 Avalon Blue First LR! missed!
Now demoted to a VW
22nd Jan 2017 7:39 pm
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petersw wrote:
I also have more of my own measurements.
Most which show the D5 to have bigger load area (important to me)
Hard to exactly compare but open boot D5 is wider.
Have not "published" my measurements because people on this forum, ridiculed me.
Now I wait the motoring press.
Put up your figures please. It'll stop all of this "it's smaller/worse than my D3/4"... Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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though my thoughts relate to the present modeland my percieved short fallings. Have not seen the dream / nightmare yet and havent studied it in depth, but some issues looked to have been improved, so my previous memo to Posh must of been acted upon 
