Indeed, but there was only one guy heading towards his path and he was well clear. Whatever the law says, there was not necessarily any real safety issue with his actions, and at the end of the day, that's all that really matters. Current: Discovery 3 06MY (55 reg) HSE Auto Zambezi Silver Allisport Fast Road Intercooler, V8 Brakes, Silicone IC Hoses, EGRs Blanked, Remapped, De-Cat pipe, FBHIC
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The highway code says that you MUST give way when a pedestrian has moved onto a crossing, it does not say that it is okay to proceed if there are no safety issues with continuing 1996 Discovery 1 300TDI ES Biarritz Blue, sold
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He's a clown - should slow down when approaching a pedestrian crossing in a built up area, irrespective of what you are driving.
When I used to work in town the road outside of the office was one way (heading right), some intelligent Town Planner thought it was a great idea to have a cycle path heading the opposite direction. Lost count of the number of time cyclists hit pedestrians who just stepped out without looking right
Moral of story - be aware of your surroundings and expect the unexpected - my mate nearly crashed at the weekend when we were leathering down a hill in the middle of nowhere - he swerved to miss a weasel that ran out
The highway code says that you MUST give way when a pedestrian has moved onto a crossing, it does not say that it is okay to proceed if there are no safety issues with continuing
So what? The law is written for ends, not means. It isn't relevant what the law, or the highway code says, if the purpose it was written for has already been achieved.
Surely we can all agree that the actually safety of the pedestrians is all that really matters? That is the one and only purpose of the law in the first place.Current: Discovery 3 06MY (55 reg) HSE Auto Zambezi Silver Allisport Fast Road Intercooler, V8 Brakes, Silicone IC Hoses, EGRs Blanked, Remapped, De-Cat pipe, FBHIC
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So we have new guidance for pedestrian crossings now if you can get across without hitting the pedestrians using it that's fair game ==================================
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What do you lot all care about? The law, or people's safety? I'm not suggesting we change the law, or offer any new guidance, but what more is there than safety?
The point is, we are not here to enforce the law or write it. We should be glad when there are ways in which it doesn't matter. We have eyes to see, brains to think, handlebars to steer and brakes to stop - it would be a lie to ourselves if we said we needed every little action to be dictated by law. I go through more dangerous situations every day, for myself and others, just around blind bends and the like but there's no law against it and nothing I can do about it.
This is the real world we are talking about, not the simplistic world of law. People have the ability to take their actions based on what is actually presented to them; the law simply does not and so it isn't always right. It's easy to say "well someone might have been standing there", but then so might he/one adjust their actions if someone were.
I choose and shall continue to make my judgements on a real probability basis, and that's not just when the law says I can't but I can, but also when the law says I can and I think better of it. Personally, I would not undertake exactly what that cyclist did, but, and I'm sorry if it offends, I would certainly not have any qualms about cycling carefully behind someone on a zebra crossing.
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Lost for Words in another thread wrote:
The law is there to set clear representations, rightly or wrongly, so that we can all follow them.
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LFW, I can see you're point. However, if instead of a cyclist it had been an HGV travelling at the same speed, would it still be acceptable? The theory of the gap between the two being safe would still apply.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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Thank you, Tom, for at least being able to see the sense in what I'm saying. Not sure what you mean about the gap with an HGV though? An HGV isn't the size of the bike so the scenario doesn't arise. Ultimately, that's what this is all about - pedestrians, bikes and cars are not all the same size.
DG, yes, I'm glad you brought that up because I stand by it - "can", being the operative word.
All I'm really saying is that everybody is getting so worked up from what is, at the end of the day, a mere formality. The idea that the law should be followed with no cause is exactly what creates the mindless zombies that grace our planet. People are taught more and more these days not to think for themselves, not to consider the consequences of their actions and not to take any personal responsibility, and the result is not good for anyone. Everybody then has to be so sensitive these days - no doubt there will soon be a counselling service for people who've been passed by a bike.
I'll reserve my wrath for those who put people at a genuine risk (and what's more, even if their actions are legal). We are not police, judge or jury - not most of us anyway; I care about people, not words. Bemoaning everything without a material issue only serves to belittle the times when there is a material issue. The principle of materialism applies to perjury in law and amongst mere onlookers such as us I feel it should to us.
As I said before though, it's still entirely probable that the guy had no idea what he was doing and is a complete . Current: Discovery 3 06MY (55 reg) HSE Auto Zambezi Silver Allisport Fast Road Intercooler, V8 Brakes, Silicone IC Hoses, EGRs Blanked, Remapped, De-Cat pipe, FBHIC
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4th Oct 2016 9:54 am
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I agree the HGV scenario couldn't arise on that type of crossing, as it has a central "refuge" area for pedestrians. On a straight one across a two lane road it could though.
Would it be okay if it had been a motorbike instead of a cyclist?
I think the answer has to be that all road users, whatever their mode of transport, have to play by the same rules.
The cyclist in the video overtakes a vehicle on the Zig Zags immediately before the crossing, which is I believe another contravention. Plus another pedestrian had commenced crossing from the the left of the cyclist.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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Mogwyth wrote:
So we have new guidance for pedestrian crossings now if you can get across without hitting the pedestrians using it that's fair game
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