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comedyharvey wrote:
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Westminster were desperate to keep Scotland in the union, they would have to come clean about Scotland finances to convince Englandshire we are needed, otherwise...
Yeah, right
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I'm laughing at the ludicrous idea that Westminster want to hang on to Scotland just for financial reasons.Arthur.
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North Sea Oil revenues £60 million 2015/2016
Cost of London Olympics. £9 billion.
What, exactly, are we so desperate for?Arthur.
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If it wasn't for financial reasons, why do you quote monetary figures?
Why was Cameron and co so desperate to keep Scotland part of the union if we are such a drain on resources?
Why did he not get involved until, with only 1 week to go, opinion polls swung in favour of a Yes vote. At at point, everything was dropped, and they all came up to Scotland campaigning, offering home rule, and the infamous Vow (on which very, very little has actually been delivered)
Don't believe everything you read/hear in MSM. Do your own research.
Norway has been suffering to exactly the same degree as the UK lately. Yet somehow, their government have still made BILLIONS from the North Sea in the same period.
So, something is very wrong with the figures, or the UK treasury/Government is totally incompetent.
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Think of the money you'll soon be generating from the tourist trade though....all us Southerners travelling up and doing the beer and wine run pre Xmas when you take on the Euro....
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Disco_Mikey wrote:
If it wasn't for financial reasons, why do you quote monetary figures?
To demonstrate that even if Scotland is, or maybe was, a net contributor to overall UK finances, it is of such marginal value that it alone wouldn't worry Westminster. Your current oil revenues wouldn't even pay for the hot dog stands at the Olympics.
You lot do not value the Union for it's own sake, but for Westminster, particularly for a Conservative and UNIONIST party, it is beyond value.
Just tell me, just what what resources, what capacity, what expertise does Scotland have in such excess that makes it of such exceptional value to Westminster?
Really, identify it for me because I don't see it.
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comedyharvey wrote:
North Sea Oil revenues £60 million 2015/2016
Norway has been suffering to exactly the same degree as the UK lately. Yet somehow, their government have still made BILLIONS from the North Sea in the same period.
So, something is very wrong with the figures, or the UK treasury/Government is totally incompetent.
Yeah, Westminster scam oil billions and your own government doesn't even notice.
Who's incompetent there. You decide
Or maybe Norway isn't doing that well either;
In the last couple of years, the price of oil has tumbled to around $30. During this period, the Norwegian energy giant Statoil, along with others in the industry, has axed thousands of jobs and scaled back contracts with suppliers.
In 2015 Statoil's earnings plunged, and it recorded a net loss of 37bn kroner ($4.3bn; £2.98bn).
The pain has spread. Economic growth has slowed dramatically, and this "has led to an increase in the rate of unemployment, which went above 4% of the labour force in early 2015", according to a recent OECD report
Investment levels throughout the economy have fallen too, by about a third since oil prices collapsed.
"This will be a long-term situation", laments Mrs Solberg. "We will not go back to the high investment level that we had three to four years ago."
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Scottish public sector revenue was estimated as £53.7 billion (7.9 per cent of UK revenue). Of this, £60 million was North Sea revenue.
If Scotland's tax income is £53.7Bn, why does Scotland only get back approx £30Bn in its block grant from WM?
I don't have the actual figures to hand, but there are huge discrepancies on the money WM spends on Scotland's behalf, which skews the figures to the tune of billions of £'s...
Admittedly, things have changed since the referendum in 2014, and the Scottish gov now has limited control of Income Tax (which is subsequently removed from the block grant)My D3 Build Thread
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Scotland would still be an extremely valuable asset/resource to Westminster, even if it wasn't a net contributor.
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I'm really quite indifferent to Scottish independence - it's not my business - but the double standards of the SNP are truly hilarious. It is funny to think that Scotland elects a left-wing party, one that believes in sharing money from the wealthier to the poorer, and that party then proceeds to complain about Scotland subsidising the rest of the UK (whether accurate or not).
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I'm really quite indifferent to Scottish independence - it's not my business
I have a lot of respect for this position. It would be unreasonable for me to expect someone from your neck of the woods to be overtly concerned about the goings-on up here. By the same token, I have no interest in the number of lanes on the M4, but if you wanted to jump up and down about it, I wouldn't instinctively be against your view from ground zero. Indifference, is far more palatable than the 'anti' alternative.
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but the double standards of the SNP are truly hilarious. It is funny to think that Scotland elects a left-wing party
What makes you think that the SNP are 'left-wing'? The older I get, the more I realise that people confuse wrinkles for wisdom
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