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BLF using your second point as a reference, surely that reasoning would have allowed the whole of the EU to vote on BREXIT as it will affect them too.
But the break up of the UK i.e. we (or they) vote for a change in jurisdiction & emphasis is basically & most fundamentally an internal issue, not part of the EU club control.....if it were thier control effectively it would make out parliment, sovereignty & Independance redundant.
All the UK voting on the internal matter of a vital part of the United Kindom wanting to leave the union that has been in place a heck of a long time & brought about by historical events that are the very core of our (UK citizens) history & heritage.....people died for that so it's important....very important.
The whole of the U.K. Voting is to me the right & proper way - democratic.
It would appear that all Scotland would vote for "Independance" (but actually didn't) & England, Wales & Northern Ireand would vote for them "to remain"....(probably not)
The actuality may just be "Independance" as the rank & file voter that chose "Brexit" may just cut Scotland free to decide its own destiny - oil revenues or no oil revenues.
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BLF - whether or not you think that the views of a vast number of people (who have probably never even been to Scotland) should have a say in a nations soverignty is neither here nor there. It ain't going to happen.
If Yorkshire wanted to be independent, I wouldn't expect my views to be heard and I wouldn't give a stuff.
Your country may be a transient, convenient, political contsruct, but it isn't mine. By the same token, the Daily Mail may be your bible, but it isn't mine either.
You can believe all you want when it comes to the ability (or otherwise) of Scotland to flourish on its own two feet, but your reference points are completely skewed. There is no utter reliance on oil and there isn't a £15Bn black hole. Such tales eminate from a unionist media and they are swallowed whole by people who do not question what they see, because it serves their purpose.
You actually want Ms Sturgeon to be a one trick pony because she frightens you. I am only left wondering why you should be so worried about an apparent basket case of a nation filled with scroungers and unable to feed themselves, getting a whiff of leaving your glorious kingdom? The older I get, the more I realise that people confuse wrinkles for wisdom
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2 years ago, I would have said you were away with the fairies John. And I probably did
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300 years down the track the Scottish have no more right to a referendum to leave the UK then any other 5 million people region - for crying out loud, you had your chance, get over it.Steve N | 21MY Defender | 08MY Discovery 3 (history) | 06MY Discovery 3 (ancient history)
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2 years ago, I would have said you were away with the fairies John. And I probably did
Now, I agree with every word
You didn't go quite as far as that in 2014, but I'm glad to see that you've come through a wiser man. The older I get, the more I realise that people confuse wrinkles for wisdom
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Why don't you invite your friend Trump over again... He keeps on wanting to build a huge wall across the south of the country....I just didn't realise it was Scotland he was talking about!
4th Sep 2016 8:18 am
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I don't see a problem with that, as long as Mexico is paying for it.
4th Sep 2016 8:50 am
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BLF might have a point. Those wanting Independence should argue for a nationwide referendum, they might be pleasantly surprised at the outcome.
Wouldn't take much of a Daily Mail campaign, pointing out that the Scots raise less revenue per head yet get considerably more spent per head, to encourage a good swathe down here to say goodbye. A lot of people are sick and tired of the constant whinging after the original vote was lost.
Of course, there is the possibility that the Scots voted again for the Union and were voted out by the rest.
How would that go down.Arthur.
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The SNP would start banging on about Scotland being forced out of the UK against it's will...
The UK has voted to leave. It just so happens that the Scotland is part of the UK and a part that favoured remaining. If Scotland wants to leave the UK - either to join the EU or not - it's their business, but the UK has voted to leave the EU and at the moment Scotland is part of the UK and was part of the vote to leave.
38% of Scots also voted to leave, which was even a slightly higher percentage than expected, and turnout was lower in Scotland, despite the fact Scotland usually has a significanly higher turnout than the rest of the UK; none of this suggests to me that they were quite as desperate to stay as Nicola Sturgeon would have us believe.
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I would welcome a UK wide referendum about Scotland. Then we would get the absolute truth about why we are "Better Together"
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Disco_Mikey wrote:
Westminster were desperate to keep Scotland in the union, they would have to come clean about Scotland finances to convince Englandshire we are needed, otherwise...
Yeah, right Arthur.
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4th Sep 2016 12:07 pm
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Lost for Words wrote:
The SNP would start banging on about Scotland being forced out of the UK against it's will...
Oh for sure
Sturgeon would probably demand a referendum to get back in Arthur.
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