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ar1972
 


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Sorry to hear your problems Big Cry

I have an 08 car, is it advisable to get the oil pump casing done ? Does anybody know a definitive ratio of failures to vehicles?

Finally, is it an expensive job ?

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ar1972

It all depends on how brave you are & how deep your pocket!

The service schedule says change the belts etc. at 105k miles/7 years.

Many decide to spend the additional money to replace the oil pump assembly & bolts - c. 3 hours extra labour when doing all belts etc.

Get an estimate from your local experienced LR Indy.

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ar1974 now you've asked the questions you've tempted fate. As I understand it you're right in the risk zone, is it worth the risk?
   
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ar1972
 


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Hi

Thanks for the info, so is it advisable to do when the belts are done ? is that because of access or because of the belts in the way ? I've not long done the belts lol Big Cry Big Cry

Indeed, i'm in the zone with regards to mileage etc Laughing Laughing
  
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On a high mileage car I would also see benefit in having a new oil pump that would pick up pressure quicker at start up.
 2005, TDV6 S, Auto, 190k miles, owned from new, V8 Brake Upgrade, Nancom Evo, RLD protector, BAS EGR blanking & Remap, separate ATF cooler, changing all the fluids ahead of time.  
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Its advisable to do with the timing belt as the belt has to be removed and engine timing set.
  
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ar1972
 


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Pants !!! Well I wasn't advised to have it done by my local Indy......

Bite the bullet Banging Head
  
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Just think to yourself "hey, ho. It's only money." Done that many times, it's just part of the joy/insanity of running a D3. Thumbs Up
   
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ar1972
 


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Yeah, agreed, I've had a D2 and a couple of freelanders.......And spent a few quid Whistle

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I have a MY08 model and fall within the danger zone, belts were done last year and I made sure that the Oil pump was done as well.

I STRONGLY advice all to get it done if your Disco is in the 'dodgy' range of years....will add a few pounds to your bill but potentially save you having to replace the engine Thumbs Up
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ar1972
 


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Perhaps I should sell mine and start over again Big Cry Big Cry
  
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Had mine for over 10 years, thought that several times. However they have a way of getting into your psyche and never got round to it.

As I like to say they can be the best car in the world, they can be the worst car in the world. Usually on the same day. Thumbs Up Thumbs Up Thumbs Up
   
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Had mine 11 years and tomorrow it is with Geoff and Flack for new belts. I will ask for new oil pump, not because I am in the vin failure range but because it seems like sensible maintenance whilst in that part of engine. Also hoping for faster pressure build at start up.
 2005, TDV6 S, Auto, 190k miles, owned from new, V8 Brake Upgrade, Nancom Evo, RLD protector, BAS EGR blanking & Remap, separate ATF cooler, changing all the fluids ahead of time.  
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ar1972
 


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Ok,

So two further questions....

1. What is the VIN range of failures ?
2. How would I know if I have good / bad start up pressure as highlighted by the previous poster ?

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Dogeggs2000 wrote:
Cheers Mikey, that would be very helpful indeed and provide some necessary pointers. Obviously I'm interested in any serviceable parts you might have for sale too, (unwarranted of course)!!
I'm trying to avoid lifting the body off if I can help it. I have a Bradbury 2 poster but I am just too busy with other engineering work (My job)! I think I could manage it, but with having never done it before, it will take me literally ages. Wish you lived closer as recovery to Dundee would cost a fortune. There doesn't seem to be a reasonable way out of this. The design of the oil pump casing is poor, all that repeated fatigue from a moving tensioner and point loading from the tensioner, hanging off one small piece of poorly cast monkey metal, is very disappointing in terms of a fully signed off design for mass production of such a marque! Any help is very much appreciated Mikey.

Cheers

Carl


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