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Pelyma wrote:
Good for you chaps that's why people come to you, to have a proper job, not a bodge job.
Seems like a fair comment to me
31st Jan 2016 10:11 am
LittleG
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I can't see a problem with Geoff and Flack's position. They let the customer know the situation regarding the supply and installation of parts before the work is done and the customer decides to use their service or not.
31st Jan 2016 10:14 am
Mr Kington
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No brainer to me ! Why create a future possible issue later on. However remote.
My indy will not fit anything he hasnt supplied. Including OEM stuff. Same reason should something happen later on.James favourite hobby is writing in the third person.
31st Jan 2016 10:18 am
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This is no diffrent to going to some garages, some garages will only fit genuine parts and not pattern or other makes parts. At the end of the day it is up to the person doing the work to make it clear what their policy is and then for the person wanting the work done to accept this or go elswhere.MY17 D5 1st Edition Namib Orange
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31st Jan 2016 10:20 am
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Let's not forget land rover themselves fitted a dodgy batch of oil pumps themselves did they not so if some site sponsors choose not to fit non land rover bagged items then there are probably just as many who will.And surely who ever has supplies the pump will have a duty of care to correct any problem's that may occur if they ever do Discovery 3 se gone
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31st Jan 2016 10:20 am
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That may well be the case and you may well be able to get the supplier/maker to pay up but I think the point being made is that IF somthing went wrong it would be a lot harder to try to get the makers of the pump or the supplier to help if the part fitted was not sold as suitable for that car, where as a part sold for the spcific vehicle will be a lot more straight forward to argue that it was at fault.MY17 D5 1st Edition Namib Orange
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31st Jan 2016 10:39 am
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Plus if you fit a Citroen pump to a LR and it goes PT you may get the cost of the pump back from Citroen, but that would be it. Not a battle Goeff or Flack would want to be in the middle of and understandably so. If it's a LR one then you're covered for 2 years including the engine that the failed pump takes with it. Mine'll be getting a new oil pump with cam belts next year, it'll be a LR one for that reason, even if it is twice the price.
31st Jan 2016 10:45 am
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tayaste wrote:
Pelyma wrote:
Good for you chaps that's why people come to you, to have a proper job, not a bodge job.
Seems like a fair comment to me
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31st Jan 2016 10:48 am
geoffsnook
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Surely a pump should last more than 2 years from land rover Discovery 3 se gone
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31st Jan 2016 11:05 am
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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That's a different matter.
31st Jan 2016 11:08 am
geoffsnook
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Maybe but what is the main reason for these pumps failing is it not poor manufacturing/price by a company contracted to land rover to supply them or do they fail for another reasonDiscovery 3 se gone
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31st Jan 2016 11:16 am
Geoff at Drym
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LittleG wrote:
I can't see a problem with Geoff and Flack's position. They let the customer know the situation regarding the supply and installation of parts before the work is done and the customer decides to use their service or not.
You pays your money and you takes your choice. Geoff and Flack are being very sensible in protecting themselves in the unlikely event of a problem.
Having said that, and having fitted a Bearmach pump in the past I can totally agree with G and F's position. Mind you I did get my genuine FoMoCo pump as fitted to LR, Jaguar, Citroen and Peugeot from Disco_Mikey and saved around £100 into the bargain. Yes the Bearmach pump did dislodge it's oil seal, hence buying the genuine parts from Mikey.
Have covered around 3000 miles since and no probs!
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31st Jan 2016 11:32 am
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DSL wrote:
Plus if you fit a Citroen pump to a LR and it goes PT you may get the cost of the pump back from Citroen, but that would be it. Not a battle Goeff or Flack would want to be in the middle of and understandably so. If it's a LR one then you're covered for 2 years including the engine that the failed pump takes with it. Mine'll be getting a new oil pump with cam belts next year, it'll be a LR one for that reason, even if it is twice the price.
Whats to say that JLR will cover consequential damage, should a new pump fail? My D3 Build Thread
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geoffsnook wrote:
Maybe but what is the main reason for these pumps failing is it not poor manufacturing/price by a company contracted to land rover to supply them or do they fail for another reason
The original issue was with Land Rover ONLY. Jag/Pug/Citroen stayed with the original EU3 pump, only Land Rover changed the pump for 07/08.
They then realised there was an issue, and modified the pump
It was then superseded a few times more, until the current part number, which is the same pump as fitted to the 3.0 engines
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31st Jan 2016 11:37 am
DSL Keeper of the wheelie bin
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Disco_Mikey wrote:
Whats to say that JLR will cover consequential damage, should a new pump fail?
That's my understanding of what they cover, I think from what TLO said many moons ago in a galaxy far, far away. If a 50p widget you've fitted fails and it takes out the engine they won't just refund you the 50p.
Though I may be wrong, it's rare but, as SWMBO will confirm, it has been known.
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that's why people come to you, to have a proper job, not a bodge job.
