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nick
Member Since: 10 Apr 2005
Location: Romsey/hampshire
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12,000 miles on the clock now and for the last couple of months there has been a weird woo wooing noise from the road wheels, not a constant tyre humm but more intermittent. My first thoughts were either a dry bearing, or a warped disc. I was sent home from the dealer the first time being told that there was no noise other than tyre drone and that the tyres are 2/3rds through their life, and only to wait and see if any fault arrises...
Two weeks later and unable to bear the noise, i phoned the service manager who arranged a test drive with a technician, and has now booked d3 in for 4wheel alignment, and put the noise down to tyre scrub on the inner front wheels, and rear outers. (feathered edges).
Saga concludes tuesday pm, when i pick it up..
Tyres fitted are: Goodyear Wrangler all weather...
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 15th Oct 2005 5:17 pm |
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Gareth
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Mine goes in on 24th for 4 wheel alignment, I also have the woooo wooooo droning sensation, along with a very slight buzzing sensation through the steering wheel and floor. It is very slight, but noticable.
The only problem is that Guy Salmon don't have the software for the D3 to use the 4 wheel jig, so I have no idea how they are going to do it, but thats their problem.
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| 15th Oct 2005 5:35 pm |
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simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Shropshire
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Pelyma wrote:Mine were swapped Left to right not front to back. I have noticed a rumble since so I guess the tyre wear is uneven at 15k
Pelyma,
Are your Wrangler's ?
If so the rumbling is normal for these. They wear in a stepped / toothed fashion. If you look at the tyre, each section wears at an angle.
Mine have done 25K and are now very noisy at low speed.
Happened to my Freelander too with the back wheels wearing more than the front in this fashion.
This was due to a design fault with the IRD. LR replaced this along with 50% payment toward a new set of tyres all round. Never has the problem since.
Maybe these tyres are supposed to wear like this or maybe its down to the design of the four wheel drive system.
Be interesting to hear if other have this stepped wear on Goodyear's and also what the Pirelli's are like.
One plus of course is the steps are higher at the front of the section so would give better forward grip in mud etc.
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| 15th Oct 2005 7:55 pm |
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Gareth
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simon wrote:Pelyma wrote:Mine were swapped Left to right not front to back. I have noticed a rumble since so I guess the tyre wear is uneven at 15k
Pelyma,
Are your Wrangler's ?
If so the rumbling is normal for these. They wear in a stepped / toothed fashion. If you look at the tyre, each section wears at an angle.
Mine have done 25K and are now very noisy at low speed.
Happened to my Freelander too with the back wheels wearing more than the front in this fashion.
This was due to a design fault with the IRD. LR replaced this along with 50% payment toward a new set of tyres all round. Never has the problem since.
Maybe these tyres are supposed to wear like this or maybe its down to the design of the four wheel drive system.
Be interesting to hear if other have this stepped wear on Goodyear's and also what the Pirelli's are like.
One plus of course is the steps are higher at the front of the section so would give better forward grip in mud etc.
-s
I've seen this stepped wear pattern you refer to - on my last Disco 2! That ran on Michelins, but they wore evenly across the tyre. My D3 tyres are definitly under stress, and are scrubbing away on the inner edges. The road noise is certainly becoming more noticeable.
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| 15th Oct 2005 10:05 pm |
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simon
Member Since: 11 Jan 2005
Location: Shropshire
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Not sure if its a 'feature' of the tyre or how they wear when attached to a LR.
Will ask my dealer next time I'm driving past as they pushed LR to replace the IRD for free on my Freelander that had the same wear and (due to lack of sound insulation) also far louder noise.
The noise kind of sounds like a bearing going and is cyclical not constant (varies with road speed).
Its starting to ruin the serene ride I'm used to on my D3.
-s
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| 17th Oct 2005 6:15 pm |
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Pelyma
Member Since: 06 Jan 2005
Location: Patching, Sussex
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simon wrote:Pelyma wrote:Mine were swapped Left to right not front to back. I have noticed a rumble since so I guess the tyre wear is uneven at 15k
Pelyma,
Are your Wrangler's ?
If so the rumbling is normal for these. They wear in a stepped / toothed fashion. If you look at the tyre, each section wears at an angle.
Mine have done 25K and are now very noisy at low speed.
Happened to my Freelander too with the back wheels wearing more than the front in this fashion.
This was due to a design fault with the IRD. LR replaced this along with 50% payment toward a new set of tyres all round. Never has the problem since.
Maybe these tyres are supposed to wear like this or maybe its down to the design of the four wheel drive system.
Be interesting to hear if other have this stepped wear on Goodyear's and also what the Pirelli's are like.
One plus of course is the steps are higher at the front of the section so would give better forward grip in mud etc.
-s
Simon I too had a Freelander and yes it is that noise  I found Perellis (?)were quieter than Wranglers, but I assumed that it was the compound rather than the way they are meant to wear. I put up with the rumble (nearly 5 years!) at least now I have Logic7 to hide it  DS3 TDV6 HSE - Silver with Alpaca (old one) Gone
DS3 TDV6 HSE- Silver with Alpaca (new one) Gone
D4 HSE Lux - Montalcino Red Gone
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| 17th Oct 2005 7:38 pm |
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nick
Member Since: 10 Apr 2005
Location: Romsey/hampshire
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All they want is your money!!!
My d3 is in the workshop at the moment, and i was told it would be ready by five but in typical LR style, the 4 wheel alignment computer crashed, leaving me stranded. 
The service girl was good enough to give me a lift to work so i could take a van home, and informed me that i would have to pay the wheel alignment cost.
And That if there was an adjustment needed, LR would refund me. OH!
SAY I, We`ll see about that.....
Apparently i`m one of many !!
Dont be shy Land Rover, or Greenpeace will be the least of your problems......
That new ML looks pretty smart does`nt it............ 
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| 17th Oct 2005 8:06 pm |
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Gareth
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Seems to be a developing issue this one. Lets see what happens to mine. I know there is a post on the RRS forum in a similar vein, and that car was sorted out.
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| 17th Oct 2005 8:54 pm |
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Winger
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Had the four-wheel alignment laser checked this morning (only looking at the front wheels this time). Toe and camber were within tolerance, but there is clear inner edge wear on the offside front and developing wear on the nearside. I think that the rear offside also seems affected, but to a lesser extent.
The dealer cannot check this themselves, and tried to suggest initially that it was down to hitting a kerb or the like. I left the results with them, the Workshop Manager came out and took photos of the tyre wear and I have left it with him to liaise with Land Rover, as he accepted that the wear was both uneven and unacceptable.
I suspect the answer is that there are going to be minor adjustment differences from vehicle to vehicle as they leave the factory - hence only some vehicles are affected. Seems to me that the obvious fix is to adjust the camber - sticking withing the tolerance - to try and correct the wear...which in all cases would appear to adjusting the camber angle closer to 0 degs.
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| 18th Oct 2005 10:36 am |
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Gareth
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Yours sounds identical to mine. Right hand side front and rear, inner edges most worn, left front inner edge scrubbed, left rear almost even wear.
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| 18th Oct 2005 11:04 am |
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Winger
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Pretty much identical......
The only other thing that I can think of is whether the suspension height settings might have an impact; that is, as you know, the suspension height can be calibrated to ensure it is all level on a flat surface.
I wonder, if the car is too low, whether this acts to increase the camber angle on the wheels. You can check that by dropping the car to access height and then looking at the way the wheels sit - the tops of the tyres on mine are noticeably leaning in at access height.
Yours is going in before mine, so I will be very interested to see what they say about yours....
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| 18th Oct 2005 11:09 am |
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nick
Member Since: 10 Apr 2005
Location: Romsey/hampshire
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Same as you Winger!!
Paid out 100quid for a ten month old lr to have its wheels re-aligned, 12k on the clock. Hopefully Hunters will get me a refund, as i havent even driven over a pebble yet.
God only knows what damage will happen when i off road it.
They`ve also swapped fronts for rears which seems to be quieter, but i can still hear the woo woo noise. I was hoping to get 20k out of a set of tyres
as kwik fit are quoting £145 per GY wrangler all weather, and £171 for the mtr..
I dont think low level or raised suspension would affect a tyre enough to cause this kind of scrub. This is speed scrub in which the odd degree costs us dearly. The only possible answer is that joe muggins at solihull who sets up the tracking is a muppet..
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| 18th Oct 2005 8:17 pm |
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Gareth
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nick wrote:Same as you Winger!!
Paid out 100quid for a ten month old lr to have its wheels re-aligned, 12k on the clock. Hopefully Hunters will get me a refund, as i havent even driven over a pebble yet.
God only knows what damage will happen when i off road it.
They`ve also swapped fronts for rears which seems to be quieter, but i can still hear the woo woo noise. I was hoping to get 20k out of a set of tyres
as kwik fit are quoting £145 per GY wrangler all weather, and £171 for the mtr..
I dont think low level or raised suspension would affect a tyre enough to cause this kind of scrub. This is speed scrub in which the odd degree costs us dearly. The only possible answer is that joe muggins at solihull who sets up the tracking is a muppet..
Did your car require adjustment?
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| 18th Oct 2005 8:24 pm |
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nick
Member Since: 10 Apr 2005
Location: Romsey/hampshire
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Yes,
Quite a bit of adjustment apparently, but conveniently the printer was`nt working properly, so i only have half the information.
I`ll try and scan it and upload it...
or something technical like that!!
Anyone got any views on the pirelli`s. ie cost/performance/grip/noise/longevity.....
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| 18th Oct 2005 8:37 pm |
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Winger
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Well mine didn't need any adjustment, apparently, but that doesn't answer the question why the inner edges are scrubbing.............
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| 18th Oct 2005 8:39 pm |
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