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Maybe someone should "advise" the dealer? 21 year LR veteran > D2 GS 2003 > D3 S 2006 > D3 HSE 2009 > D4 HSE 2013 > D4 HSE 2015 > D5 HSE 2018 > DS HSE R-Dynamic P300e 2021
28th Oct 2014 9:27 am
A.J.M
Member Since: 31 Oct 2009
Location: Carluke
Posts: 2827
How would you go about that?
"Dear dealer, having seen your D3 on autotrader and looking at the pictures I can't help but see it is missing several key features of the HSE model of that year. My fellow landy beards and I believe it is not an HSE but a rebadged SE and the price should be lowered accordingly. Yours, landy beard from the internet"
In loving memory of FA54WSK.
Rest well old friend, your work is done.
28th Oct 2014 9:30 am
discoteca
Member Since: 08 Mar 2010
Location: Warwickshire
Posts: 1477
Talking of odd specs there is a V8 S that lives near me. I think that it is an 06 reg. Every day I drive past it I think hmmm that must be a rare spec mustn't it? Looks like it has cloth, 18" wheels and not much else in the way of toys!
28th Oct 2014 9:43 am
mark the spark
Member Since: 22 Jun 2011
Location: southampton
Posts: 2489
Robbie wrote:
Things like wheels can migrate across specs and when I sold my HSE it was shod in 18" wheels as this wheel size would not fit my D4. But there is so much more:
Walking up and driving this thing would be a surprise if you were expecting an HSE. Ignoring the wheels you would walk-up, open the door and get in. On trying to adjust the seat you find the electrics missing. You reach forward to adjust the steering wheel to find the electric adjustment also missing. Perhaps some music would ease the annoyance but the flat sound has you looking at the missing speakers in the doors. Now really unsettled you check behind you to see the D pillars are also blank. Even the Logic 7 decals are missing. Exasperated you roll your eyes to the sky only to find your view blocked by a slice of metal where the glass roof should be. You start the car and convince yourself that it is one of the rare manuals that cost just the same for a lower spec and lower resale value. Edging out of the car park you listen for the familiar tone of the front PDC, only to be greater by the crunch of metal as the PDC sensors are also missing.
Rinse and repeat.
My 05 SE has got the full memory electric adjustable and heated seat options ( not the electric adjustable steering column tho ) MY05 SE D3 Manual my first LR what a car
MY10 HSE D4 auto
MY14 XXV more buttons than the spaceshuttle
28th Oct 2014 9:58 am
Robbie
Member Since: 05 Feb 2006
Location: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Posts: 17932
Granted; some early SEs were almost HSEs, such was the elasticity in the specs but this vehicle is missing a ton of stuff you would expect on an HSE.
Land Rover - Turning Drivers into Mechanics Since 1948
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Location: Off again! :-)
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No rear AC also, standard on an 06 HSE.
28th Oct 2014 10:07 am
euangibson
Member Since: 24 Dec 2010
Location: Borders
Posts: 11027
Agree with all the comments...the dealer told me my '55 plate SE had everything that was on an HSE apart from the sunroof (is there a sunroof on that one)?.....oh,and the letter "E" to stick on the back,apparently "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool,than to speak out and remove all doubt" ?.....what rubbish...
Locking rear E-diff
RLD spare wheel protector & sump guard
Extended roof rails
Series 111 mudflaps
Black side tubes,grill and vents
Timed climate remote
Hids4u interior lights
D4 Firenze my2012 HSE
D3 Java 2005 SE manual (sold,sadly,thanks for the memories)
1966 '88 Series 2a....still starts in the morning better than I do...
28th Oct 2014 10:09 am
mark the spark
Member Since: 22 Jun 2011
Location: southampton
Posts: 2489
Robbie wrote:
Granted; some early SEs were almost HSEs, such was the elasticity in the specs but this vehicle is missing a ton of stuff you would expect on an HSE.
agreed
particularly the rear AC.......... rusting pipes and all MY05 SE D3 Manual my first LR what a car
MY10 HSE D4 auto
MY14 XXV more buttons than the spaceshuttle
28th Oct 2014 10:18 am
discoteca
Member Since: 08 Mar 2010
Location: Warwickshire
Posts: 1477
euangibson wrote:
Agree with all the comments...the dealer told me my '55 plate SE had everything that was on an HSE apart from the sunroof (is there a sunroof on that one)?.....oh,and the letter "E" to stick on the back,apparently
The thing that seems to be rare around this vintage, on specs below HSE, seems to be Logic 7. I'm sure they exist but I don't think I've ever seen a non HSE with Logic 7?
28th Oct 2014 10:24 am
blue meanie D3 Decade
Member Since: 04 Aug 2005
Location: Newbury
Posts: 6861
Robbie wrote:
... open the door and get in. On trying to adjust the seat you find the electrics missing. You reach forward to adjust the steering wheel to find the electric adjustment also missing.
Rinse and repeat.
leccy steering wheel adjust didn't come in until MY8 or 9 did it from memory?
Does look like an SE to me too as you say the front PDC is the biggest give away, you cold spec an 'almost HSE' at the time, I did and am still pottering around in it...and theeeeennn......???
28th Oct 2014 10:57 am
Robbie
Member Since: 05 Feb 2006
Location: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Posts: 17932
My MY05 had electric steering adjustment and I am not aware of an HSE I have seen since that does not have it. Electric steering adjustment was added to the SE for MY08.5, but in the world of LR anything could happen!Land Rover - Turning Drivers into Mechanics Since 1948
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28th Oct 2014 11:01 am
Oswiperus D3 Decade
Member Since: 02 Apr 2010
Location: Chelmsford, Essex
Posts: 1595
SE deffo, all the above mentioned differences plus Grainy SE leather.
28th Oct 2014 11:09 am
A.J.M
Member Since: 31 Oct 2009
Location: Carluke
Posts: 2827
I'll need to check mine as I don't think I have electric steering adjustment on my HSE.
Have the logic 7, auto adaptive bi xenons, no cubby box or blue tooth but I have a rear DVD player...
Never used it but it's there... In loving memory of FA54WSK.
Rest well old friend, your work is done.
28th Oct 2014 11:25 am
Oswiperus D3 Decade
Member Since: 02 Apr 2010
Location: Chelmsford, Essex
Posts: 1595
Bluetooth was optional on HSE.
28th Oct 2014 11:37 am
LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
Posts: 23584
When I bought my 2006 HSE, a manual box was a no cost option. Someone here had one that they'd specced like that, but they were very rare.
Early 06 and late 55 plate HSE's did have a lot of spec. variety. I think it was from about March 2006 build that the 06 model HSE's came with a full spec. Pretty much the only "internal" extras where tinted glass and drop down rear video screen.2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
2010 D4 HSE (A bit bling)-GONE
2014 D4 HSE (Almost too bling)-GONE
2015 D4 HSE (A heated what?)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Written Off)-GONE
2016 D4 Landmark (Surely the last!) PD1881 rims-GONE
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