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fishinmad
 


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Hi Xrover1

Mine was certainly not 'gritty' it was quite stiff to move (I guess this is because they are new) by hand but smooth.

If the joint is 'gritty' that doesn't sound good to me you might want to change the part.

Since fitting I have no problems with light/heavy steering (Just everything ellse on the Censored car). Rolling Eyes
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fishinmad wrote:

If the joint is 'gritty' that doesn't sound good to me you might want to change the part.


Disco_Mikey wrote:
Have had that before. It is due to the joint being to "open"

If you screw a bollt in to squeeze to 2 parts together, it will be nice and smooth to move Thumbs Up


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Disco_Mikey wrote:
Have had that before. It is due to the joint being to "open"

If you screw a bollt in to squeeze to 2 parts together, it will be nice and smooth to move Thumbs Up

Really? Squeeze the U Joint yokes even tighter on the bearings? Wont's that crush the needle bearings and make them worse?
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fishinmad wrote:
Hi Xrover1

Mine was certainly not 'gritty' it was quite stiff to move (I guess this is because they are new) by hand but smooth.

If the joint is 'gritty' that doesn't sound good to me you might want to change the part.

Since fitting I have no problems with light/heavy steering (Just everything ellse on the Censored car). Rolling Eyes


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maplecottage wrote:
Hi Xrover1,

I'm about to do mine also - hopefully today. I've noticed the same with my new unit, it feels slightly 'bitty' when turned by hand but I suppose if it was too easy to move by hand, this would then translate into a really sloppy feel at the wheel.

If yours is the same then I guess that's how they are meant to be.

Steve

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Hmm, my experience with U Joints on drivelines tells me that a bit stiff or resistance to hand movement is ok but a gritty feeling just like bad needle bearings is a bad sign. I am going to try one of the ideas below and see if clamping the yokes down a bit helps. Otherwise I will send it back.

The replacement procedure on these shafts is a bit of a PIA so it's not worth it to me to throw it on and take a chance. Since my initial problem was notchy stfif steering. Kinda what I would expect from the feeling of the new U Joint.

I dunno !!
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Xrover1 wrote:
Disco_Mikey wrote:
Have had that before. It is due to the joint being to "open"

If you screw a bollt in to squeeze to 2 parts together, it will be nice and smooth to move Thumbs Up

Really? Squeeze the U Joint yokes even tighter on the bearings? Wont's that crush the needle bearings and make them worse?


You dont squeeze the yokes, you squeeze the end of the shaft, that the securing bolt squeezes together Thumbs Up
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That's what you were talking about.. My issue was with the U Joint proper!
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If that lower joint has been opened too much, the U/J goes notchy, until it has been compressed again Thumbs Up
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Post #120307315th Dec 2013 10:07 pm
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Just installed the new Shaft. Notchy feeling in the steering is gone now. Old shaft U Joint was really gritty and stiff.

By the way, my car is a LHD and i used the same procedures as shown above. I did do it a slightly different way though.


1. I did not remove the drivers side front tire.
2. I jacked up the front end to get the tires off the ground and put jack stands under the frame.
3. I did remove the plastic shield (cover) near the steering rack gaiter. I did remove the inner
portion of the Aux battery tray.
4. I did follow the order of removing the bolts.
5. With the key in the ignition and turned One click to keep the steering wheel from locking, I went under the vehicle and pushed the drivers side wheel to turn the steering until the 10mm hex bolt was pointing down. I was able to use a couple of extensions on my ratchet wrench and easily go straight up between the control arm and cv shaft. I loosend the bolt until it was ready to come out.
6. I returned the steering wheel to the straight ahead 12 o'clock position.
7. I went back under the front again and reached my hand up through the area where that plastic shield (cover) was removed. I undid the hex bolt easily with my hand.
8. i removed the upper shaft bolt as posted above.
9. I followed the rest of the instructions from above but installed the front hex bolt the same way I removed it.

That's it!!
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Just done mine today. I took the underneath protection off for access and although I took the wheel off as this guide and the Haynes manual suggest it wasn't required.

The car feels so different, I'm sure this must have been on its way out for ages. The steering is now so precise. One plane of movement impossible on old UJ.

Took me just over and hour and a half, but that includes an oil change whilst I had her undercrackers off and the tools out.

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Apache wrote:
...........The car feels so different...............


In what way, has it done anything for tramlining / bump steer ??

Steve
  
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Apache
 


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I think I hadn't realised how poor the steering had become. The steering is now so light and precise.

At its worse it wouldn't even try to self correct after a corner! I could have set it for a roundabout and taken my hands off!
  
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steve smith
 


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Will be trying this out on mine, steering has just started going very stiff Thumbs Up
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Going to do mine this week😄, one thing when people say remove the aux battery tray what is this ? I have an optima fitted so is it what the battery sits on?
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