Member Since: 04 Nov 2023
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 10
Loss of all drive after EPB stuck on and no gear selection
Hi,
I've got a 2006 discovery 3 manual 2.7 tdv6. 150K on the clock
Its been parked up for a while and came to use it and the EPB came on. No biggie, pull the cable and off we go...
Drove for about 1/2 mile and at a set of traffic lights lost all drive, engine still running but no drive.
Managed to get it to the side of the road and out of the way.
Messed about with it for a bit. No high range, no low range. no forward or reverse.
Turned it off and then on again - still no drive.
It now "selects" gears without the need to depress the clutch pedal.
Can anyone shed any light or point me in the right direction as to what might be the cause of this?
TIA
R
5th Nov 2023 11:39 am
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5th Nov 2023 6:20 pm
Rohroh
Member Since: 04 Nov 2023
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 10
managed to have a look today and the rear prop is not rotating, couldn't see the front properly.
7th Nov 2023 7:02 pm
Rohroh
Member Since: 04 Nov 2023
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 10
Code reader has arrived and the following codes have been thrown up.
ECM:
P140A-00
Exhaust gas recirculation sensor C – circuit low
U0121-00
Lost Communication with ABS module
P1935-00
Brake switch/sensor signal
RLM
U0416-86
Invalid data received from vehicle dynamics control module
C1A20-64
Pressure increases too slow when filling reservoir
ATCM
U0416-94
Invalid data received from vehicle dynamics control module
U0403-94
Invalid data received from transfer case control
U0421-94
Invalid data received from vehicle ride level control module
PBM
U0122-87
Lost communication with vehicle dynamics control module
U0101-87
Lost communication with transmission control module
TCCM
U0122-87
Lost communication with vehicle dynamics control module
VDM
C1A00-88
Control Module
HVAC
B1B778-84
System Pressure
7th Nov 2023 7:59 pm
Globetrotter448
Member Since: 21 Mar 2017
Location: Londonderry NSW
Posts: 1822
I assume this is a manual gearbox. If you can change gears without the clutch pedal then you have something faulty with the clutch. Could just be the release bearing or even the slave cylinder jammed holding clutch disengaged.
10th Nov 2023 8:02 am
Rohroh
Member Since: 04 Nov 2023
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 10
Cheers Globetrotter448.
Spoke to the local independent LR specialist. He suggested the same.
New clutch, slave cylinder and flywheel ordered. Anything else worth changing or checking whilst the box is out?
cheers
R
12th Nov 2023 8:51 am
Globetrotter448
Member Since: 21 Mar 2017
Location: Londonderry NSW
Posts: 1822
What does Indie think is wrong with flywheel. If its marked it can be skimmed. Once flywheel is off, then do rear engine oil seal, (seal is minimal cost) and check bearing bush in end of crankshaft. Check starter motor teeth for wear. Replace clutch release bearing if not included with clutch.
12th Nov 2023 9:00 am
Rohroh
Member Since: 04 Nov 2023
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 10
Indie didn't mention the flywheel - its one of those, might as well change it, while it's all apart
I believe the release bearing comes with the clutch. If not, I'll order one tomorrow.
Appreciate the help.
Thanks
12th Nov 2023 9:17 am
Globetrotter448
Member Since: 21 Mar 2017
Location: Londonderry NSW
Posts: 1822
Regarding the codes, as you have had problems, I would delete all codes and then see what comes back after the clutch replacement. All "U" codes are for information so can be disregarded unless they keep coming back.
12th Nov 2023 9:45 am
PROFSR G
Member Since: 06 Mar 2017
Location: Lost
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Globetrotter448 wrote:
What does Indie think is wrong with flywheel. If its marked it can be skimmed. Once flywheel is off, then do rear engine oil seal, (seal is minimal cost) and check bearing bush in end of crankshaft. Check starter motor teeth for wear. Replace clutch release bearing if not included with clutch.
It's a dual mass flywheel (DMF) which are nearly always knackered and you don't want to be doing this job again, so replace everything. yµ (idµ - eAµ) ψ=mψ
12th Nov 2023 5:27 pm
Globetrotter448
Member Since: 21 Mar 2017
Location: Londonderry NSW
Posts: 1822
Thanks prof, I learn something new every day
12th Nov 2023 9:21 pm
Rohroh
Member Since: 04 Nov 2023
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 10
Well...... That was an absolute pig of a job!!
Gearbox out. had to remove the transfer case first.
Think it may need a clean before going back on.
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The clutch was stuck to the flywheel and need to be unstuck to be removed!
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Hopefully the clutch and new flywheel arrive today...
Had split the turbo bracket nut as it was seized.
16th Nov 2023 10:59 am
PROFSR G
Member Since: 06 Mar 2017
Location: Lost
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Use only new flywheel and drive shaft bolts bolts!! And check the hydraulic damper on the inside of the tunnel that feeds the clutch hydraulics. Check too the exh crossover pipe now as well as you don't want to be going at this again!
You're going to need a decent pressure bleeder too as these can be a damnation to bleed thoroughly sometimes.
Oh, and one other thing is to remove the XYZ sensor, clean it and refit.yµ (idµ - eAµ) ψ=mψ
16th Nov 2023 9:48 pm
Rohroh
Member Since: 04 Nov 2023
Location: Shropshire
Posts: 10
Firstly, appreciate the help and solutions offered. Thank you.
Well..... That was interesting!!
Everything went back together fairly straightforward.
Bleeding the clutch - What an absolute B$%^&£$d of a job.
Methods tried to bleed clutch.
1, pump pedal, hold, etc with single person system - FAIL
2, pump pedal, hold, etc with 2 people - FAIL
3, pump pedal, hold, etc with 2 people - FAIL
4, eazibleed system - FAIL
5, eazibleed system - PARTIAL FAIL - got the pedal off the floor and managed to get a tiny bit of a bite.
6, eazibleed with 2 people system - WIN - you have to overfill the reservoir before starting.
Now for the fault codes...
23rd Nov 2023 3:43 pm
PROFSR G
Member Since: 06 Mar 2017
Location: Lost
Posts: 5076
PROFSR G wrote:
You're going to need a decent pressure bleeder too as these can be a damnation to bleed thoroughly sometimes.
It needs to be a pressure bleeder, but you got there. yµ (idµ - eAµ) ψ=mψ
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