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grzesiul
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ruben wrote:Yes! We can decide not to see it, and continue with unfair speeches and easy conversations from an advantageous position, we can convince ourselves that the problem is with the neighboring country that does not fulfill its part of containment and look the other way and not see that. The world has been plunged for decades in a huge pandemic that is hunger and inequality that leads to wars and dictatorships and consequently migrations of people who only seek to move forward ... while we continue dreaming of buying luxury cars in our sad gray and little world ... just hating everything that smells poor and foreign!
i come from poor country poor family but with work ethics and never seen anyone from my country man nor was I ever into running in a park with a machete FFS
being poor does not justify this BS
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
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There is a very strong correlation across the world between poverty, gangs and violent crime. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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| 4th Jun 2021 2:43 pm |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
Location: Here
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astonbuilder wrote:all the 'empathisers' on here probably OK as long as 'not next door' to them and/or in other posts will rant on about 'travellers', AKA " p*k*ys" 
Have no problem with a refugee family moving in next door. I just ask that they are law abiding and considerate of their neighbours, just as I would ask a British person with a family tree back to King Alfred to be the same.
And as for the travelling community, again I'd have no problem with them spending a few weeks in the field behind our house so long as they are law abiding and they didn't leave behind a field full of detritus behind when they moved on.
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"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 4th Jun 2021 2:47 pm |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
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HWN wrote:You ain't seen nothing yet. Just wait until supplies of potable water become short as a result of consumption and/or climate change; just wait until crops start failing because of climate change. These are the things that will drive migration - directly and via conflicts/wars. Why did Man move out of Africa in the first place - climate and resources.
Excellent point, Hugh. It's happening already in some cases but it's a trickle at the moment. Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 4th Jun 2021 2:49 pm |
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astonbuilder
Member Since: 29 Sep 2006
Location: MIDLANDS
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RRSTDV8 wrote:astonbuilder wrote:all the 'empathisers' on here probably OK as long as 'not next door' to them and/or in other posts will rant on about 'travellers', AKA " p*k*ys"
Have no problem with a refugee family moving in next door. I just ask that they are law abiding and considerate of their neighbours, just as I would ask a British person with a family tree back to King Alfred to be the same.
And as for the travelling community, again I'd have no problem with them spending a few weeks in the field behind our house so long as they are law abiding and they didn't leave behind a field full of detritus behind when they moved on.
Well those caveats nicely virtue signal.......
The point is you can't choose how nice/respectable/law abiding they are, we all want that of those in our community/neighbours and there are many threads on here, of which I have contributed to also, about 'chavs' as neighbours and they are not at the extreme end of the scale at all....
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| 4th Jun 2021 3:01 pm |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
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I would say that negative virtue signalling is more prevalent on this thread. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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| 4th Jun 2021 3:05 pm |
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LT
Member Since: 31 Dec 2005
Location: South West
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I can’t see much to laugh about personally. A variety of deep divisions, some of which have been made far worse by Brexit and Covid, has altered society for the worse. 2006 D3 HSE (Original & still the best)-GONE
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| 4th Jun 2021 8:21 pm |
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HWN
Member Since: 23 Feb 2018
Location: Near Llanybydder (near Puff!)
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^^^ Yes - as if I'd be studying Sociology..!
Go back forty years: love them or hate them, Kinnock, Foot, Thatcher et al had unwavering views and you knew where they stood and what you were voting for. Subsequently, we have had (to all intents and purposes) a two-party system, both driven by focus-groups and opinion-polls. Barely a cigarette-paper between them, neither of them have a identifiable characteristic philosophy. Mrs T once said she didn't strive to be popular because "to be popular, you have to make compromises". Major onwards, it has been compromises all round in the pursuit of popularity and power. Until UKIP and Brexit came along, it was not possible for the electorate to express an opinion on specific issues. Labour especially are now driven more by academics and pseudo-intellectuals in the south-east than their traditional voter in, say, Hartepool. The Lib Dems have a specific flavour to them but having sold their soul to get into (shared) power lost the credibility of the electorate, who saw them compromise on issues that had characterised them from the SDP onwards.
Hop around the internet: whether it is the left complaining about student loans and social-care or the right complaining about mass immigration, the cri de cœur is often "we were never asked!".
IMHO, a lot of what is labelled "racism" is actually "culturalism" and multiculturalism dealt a poor hand to minorities: the Tories patronised the left by letting them have a social experiment in the same way you might give a dog a bone to chew to keep them quiet. Differences = opportunities for divisions. If two people of different backgrounds dress the same, speak the same, have the same moral codes and shared experiences, what is there to drive division or affect opportunities? I found this article interesting.
To go back the same forty years, the limited number of channels meant that an evening of television-watching opened a window on the world, current affairs, culture and politics. Today there are a plethora of brain-numbing entertainments from which to choose and an evening involves telling six-hundred 'friends' that "Tea was a lovely spag bol! LOL!!", online opinion-reinforcing chats with like-minded people or hate-fuelled pursuit of those with different opinions.
One for the Politics sub-forum, really, but things aren't really going in a positive direction. The UK is often held up as a model of tolerance but all I see is increasing intolerance. Maybe it is the second law of thermodynamics - I don't know and I don't know the answer. 2015 Volvo V40
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| 5th Jun 2021 8:19 pm |
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al cope
Member Since: 08 Nov 2005
Location: Oldbury, WM
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Isn’t it against the law now to have a personal opinion that’s different to someone else’s opinion unless, either you agree with them or they agree with you 😉
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| 6th Jun 2021 9:59 am |
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RRSTDV8
Member Since: 07 Apr 2014
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^ only if you read the Daily Mail and believe the nonsense they have been printing for decades.   Visiting from rrsport.co.uk
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"When you fire that first shot, no matter how right you feel, you have no idea who's going to die! You don't know who's children are going to scream and burn. How many hearts will be broken. How many lives shattered. How much blood will spill, until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning: SIT DOWN AND TALK!"
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| 6th Jun 2021 6:46 pm |
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astonbuilder
Member Since: 29 Sep 2006
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You don’t think theirs some truth in that? Have you seen some of the ‘games’ that young kids play, they are ridiculous and parents who allow them are not parenting…..
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| 6th Jun 2021 10:17 pm |
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