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Cold Start Problem ?
Went out to de-frost the car this morning, I normally double check that she is not in gear then lean in and start the engine with no pre-heat or throttle. This morning the engine did not fire at all, so got in left the pre heaters time out then tried again, still no joy. Eventually the engine started but was turning over for ages before firing.
The temperature was showing -3 however I am a bit concerned that it might just flatten the battery if it does it again.
Could trying to start without letting the glow plugs operate cause a problem or maybe glow plugs not working properly, any thoughts ?
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20th Jan 2015 10:18 am
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20th Jan 2015 10:22 am
Ian McL
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yea it just worried me that even after leaving the glow plugs on till the light went out, it still would not start without turning over for absolutely ages
20th Jan 2015 10:45 am
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Maybe it's just me being cautious/daft
But I turn on ignition, let light go out then do it again.
Is there any problems with doing that?
Just an old habit I picked up from years ago
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20th Jan 2015 10:47 am
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If you're worried about the battery running down with glow plugs then you need a new battery. At £76 or so for a new Exide one it's a no brainer. Glow plugs need to work properly (light out) or you'll have a problem starting the car and it will run like a pig til it warms up. I let the light go out and count to 10 as I know not all are working.
20th Jan 2015 10:50 am
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Ian McL wrote:
yea it just worried me that even after leaving the glow plugs on till the light went out, it still would not start without turning over for absolutely ages
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20th Jan 2015 10:55 am
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But with the FBh running prior to starting the car - he will def. need a new battery 2007 D3 2.7 SE Automatic
20th Jan 2015 10:57 am
Ian McL
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thanks for the comments, I will try using the glow plugs properly, I guess I had just got lazy because it normally start so well every time. Mind you I must admit I did not realise it was -3 this morning till I actually got into the car
20th Jan 2015 10:58 am
Ian McL
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no problem with the battery, it turned the engine over for ages without a problem, before it eventually fired, but any battery can only turn an engine for so long without flattening
I have been thinking about the timer for the FBH, now I obviously need one, that is how I will sell it to SWMBO anyway!
20th Jan 2015 11:11 am
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Alan B wrote:
Maybe it's just me being cautious/daft
But I turn on ignition, let light go out then do it again.
Is there any problems with doing that?
Just an old habit I picked up from years ago
Thanks
Alan
I know I have 2 dead, 2 glow plugs that show 600ohms and 2 that show 1.4ohms so potentially worst case senario I only have 2 working as they should.
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20th Jan 2015 11:19 am
Ian McL
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Started this morning after leaving the glow plug to do there thing and it ran as rough as a badgers for a short while.
Also quite a lot of smoke from both exhausts, I have noticed a lot of smoke when starting lately and thought it was the FBH.
I am now thinking I have a glow plug problem so will check the resistances at the weekend
22nd Jan 2015 1:47 pm
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FBH smoke is seen under the front N/S wheel arch, not the main exhausts.
22nd Jan 2015 2:00 pm
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I know but when I reverse out of the drive the smoke 'shimmy's about a bit' and this morning was the first time I have looked at the exhausts just after a cold start
22nd Jan 2015 4:46 pm
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Definitely sounds like a glowplug issue Ian but don't despair just yet.
As you know there can be an issue with changing glowplugs but if you're only suffering a very cold morning start issue then the 1533 timer mod will help massively and hopefully save you a huge hit to the wallet. Parts to build your own cost around £80 and really easy to install especially if you already have the red FBH wire fitted. Mods:
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