B16 KJR wrote:

Think you will find Nick has used the word "occasional" 2 lines up.

ohh FFS when are you lot defecting

BLFarrar wrote:

I wonder how many more issues that have bulletins issued havent got to users ?
We have all had a chuckle about Toyota mad panic recalls...but they did stand over the product.

TSB's aren't recalls ...they are to say that "some" people "might" report this issue which isn't safety related. If you read the TSB related to the towbar properly you will see it is not a safety issue at all....because in their example the towbar will not attach because of excessive paint...so if you cant attach it then it's not a safety issue. ....it's a pain in the issue



Vehicle recalls on the other hand are safety related and defined under an agreed code of practice between the manufacturer and VOSA:

Quote:

It is the responsibility of the producer to inform VOSA when substantial evidence of a safety defect that requires remedial action has been confirmed. Additionally, evidence may be presented to the manufacturer by VOSA as a result of investigations into collisions and safety defects which have been brought to their attention from other sources

If you are suggesting that both LR and VOSA are sitting on their hands then that's quite an allegation. Afterall recalls are made in order to limit the company's liability not bury their heads waiting for all the claims to pour in.

Ecosse wrote:

I would expect there must be lots of owners using it for towing more than what I assume is the relatively light weight of a caravan - eg boats or horse trailers must be around 2.5/3.00t fully laden? - any views on suitability?, as there's certainly been nothing to date with D3 or D4 warning owners not to use it for such purposes!

DG wrote:

If you are suggesting that both LR and VOSA are sitting on their hands then that's quite an allegation. Afterall recalls are made in order to limit the company's liability not bury their heads waiting for all the claims to pour in.

I realise the Technical Bulletins arent recalls...thats why they are at the technical bulletin level as opposed to recall.....

Not an allegation...mereley the point that I only found out about the issue that isnt cosmetic or fly ...about the way my vehicle works or may have an operational safety related issue through a spurious post on an independant to maker bulletin board.....thats what isnt good enough....in my very humble position.

However I am (like you) a user of the product, I have expectations of what the product should do, can do & will do...based on what I was sold......lets not forget LandRover Discos are about fitness for purpose & durability.....far more than a "pain in the "
...if that alters & a statement is made i.e. "occasional use"....or "occasional light use"...I like others want to know the facts, where these originate from & what it actually means....that is most critical & totally fundamental.

As a responsible driver I check the security of the D3 tow hitch whenever I have used it...as an engineer (mechanical) I quite rightly use the capability, knowledge & experience I have to evaluate things....using these faculties & the data thats there...i.e. the facts.
My point is are there more of them I/we should know about

But Bruce you would find out about the issue if you had the problem and enquired about solving it ...i.e. if your towbar didn't fit and you took it back to the dealer and said "my towbar doesn't fit" ....they should say "ah yes Mr.Farrar there was a bulletin sent around for that" " let me scrape the paint off and then you will be fine "

Basically .....you either have the issue or you don't ...why should you need to know about it if it doesn't affect you ?

Quote:

may have an operational safety related issue through a spurious post on an independant to maker bulletin board

If there was a safety related issue then they would have done a recall