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oilyrs69
Member Since: 02 Jan 2013
Location: bedford
Posts: 54
 
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As the title says my 05 hse 2,7 auto starts up a slightly lumpy , but when i try to pull away it seems to have no power to almost as if its trying to pull of in top gear 
any idea wot the prob could be this time ?  bloody car 
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 11th Feb 2013 7:43 pm |
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Markmein
Member Since: 07 Jul 2012
Location: Chester
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I have had the same thing but only on a couple of instances, usually if I have started the FBH but not let it run for very long. I put it down to the car thinking it was warmer that it actually was and turning the glow plugs off.
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| 11th Feb 2013 8:08 pm |
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Woolmeister
Member Since: 26 Mar 2007
Location: Chandler's Ford
Posts: 3464
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My first guess is one or both of your EGR valves. Get them blanked; don't replace them on a 2006MY. 
Recommend getting your fault codes read to confirm. Could also be multiple failed glow plugs if the situation improves when the car gets warm.
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| 11th Feb 2013 8:10 pm |
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johnnychainsaw
Member Since: 24 Nov 2009
Location: West Sussex
Posts: 1222
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I agree with Steve you could also try waiting a few more seconds after glow plugs go out before you start or turn off then on again to allow them to heat up again, it might make a diffrence. Good luck
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| 11th Feb 2013 8:23 pm |
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zig
Member Since: 09 Sep 2005
Location: Scotland
Posts: 648
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Faulty EGRs?
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| 11th Feb 2013 8:45 pm |
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oilyrs69
Member Since: 02 Jan 2013
Location: bedford
Posts: 54
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thanks it done it again this morning , there was no throtle response
there was no warning lights
egr blanking kit ordered
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| 12th Feb 2013 8:30 am |
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ckra1000
Member Since: 16 Aug 2010
Location: Sheffield
Posts: 165
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@zig
use SEARCH on the forum for EGR
there's a ton of information about these Exhaust Gas Recirculation valves.
Happy reading  Chris
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| 12th Feb 2013 10:51 am |
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daveh
Member Since: 08 Nov 2006
Location: Raggal
Posts: 30
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I have these exact same symptoms, EGRs blanked off 1 year ago. (But it did this before blanking them off)
When its cold around minus 5 ish and goes worse when minus 10 to 20, car starts but runs really lumpy, like its running on 3 cylinders, give some throttle and just no response, engine just ticks over at 650 rpm but rough, so much the car actually shakes!!
I can put my foot to the floor on the throttle and nothing happens, let it run sometimes for two to three minutes and then all of a sudden tickover goes to normal around 900 to 1000rpm, give throttle and everything responds as normal. No error messages nothing, apart from when its ticking over really lumpy the battery light flickers as its obviously not charging correctly when running at 650rpm.
The car then drives normally, no problems at all.
I am wondering if some of the glow plugs are either not working or not getting as hot as they should do, my car is an 05 and has done around 95k. Full land rover service history, its always been to dealer and had all the updates, recalls.
Anyone any ideas as it is a little worrying that in the two to three minutes it runs so rough that maybe it is causing damage or unecessary wear to something.
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| 12th Feb 2013 11:16 am |
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nighthawk
Member Since: 24 Jul 2010
Location: Malta
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daveh,
Are you using a remote FBH timer? The symptoms you mention match the FBH timer usage perfectly. The ECU uses coolant temperature to determine fueling requirements for the engine (rather than oil temperature). When using an FBH timer while the car is parked, the FBH heats the coolant but the combustion chamber is still bone cold. So the ECU thinks engine is warm while the engine is actually cold. Therefore ECU does not supply the right amount of fuel to the cylinder on startup. Once the combustion chamber heats up appreciably (those 2-3 minutes you mention), things get back within range and all is fine. Dennis
2006 Discovery 3 TDV6 Commercial Manual Buckingham Blue
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| 12th Feb 2013 11:44 am |
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oilyrs69
Member Since: 02 Jan 2013
Location: bedford
Posts: 54
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thank daveh mine is the same age and milage as yours
no im not using the fbh timer
im getting in a cold car turnning the ing on for the glow plugs then when they go out starting the car ,
It fires up runs a little lumpy and has no throtle just ticks over as i try to pull away 
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| 12th Feb 2013 3:48 pm |
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Woolmeister
Member Since: 26 Mar 2007
Location: Chandler's Ford
Posts: 3464
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oilyrs69,
Have you had your fault codes read?
Have you had your glow plugs checked by a garage who knows how to do this?
Suggest doing the above and reporting back.
It's not going to fix itself. You have a number of reputable independent LR specialists in your area. I'm sure other forum members in your area would be prepared to make recommendations if you asked.
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2007 Discovery 3 TDV6 S Manual in Zermatt Silver with Ebony Cloth (143k) Gone, but now patrolling the Asia section of the West Midlands Safari Park!
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| 12th Feb 2013 4:06 pm |
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mountainclan
Member Since: 04 Sep 2011
Location: Derbyshire
Posts: 3
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I have a 07 se with 79k on clock,
EGRs blanked last year, but had a couple of reluctant start ups on v cold mornings then ticked over lumpy.
Yesterday at -3 it wouldn't start at all, had lots of white smoke (so getting fuel) , rang my local indy they said t sounded like glow plugs and to give the air intake pipe a squirt of "easy start" , bingo! started straight away,
they said this confirms glow plug problems so booked in for Friday.,
Ps they did warn me that replacing the plugs on a D3 can be a pain as they can get seized in!!
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| 12th Feb 2013 4:37 pm |
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